25-07-2005, 02:50 PM
Quote:http://www.b737.org.uk/landingtechnique.htmSo they can use both. Good to know.
Quote:When airspeed is critical, control speed with pitch; andFull ACK.
When altitude is critical, control altitude with pitch.
why must landing be so hard?
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25-07-2005, 02:50 PM
Quote:http://www.b737.org.uk/landingtechnique.htmSo they can use both. Good to know. Quote:When airspeed is critical, control speed with pitch; andFull ACK.
25-07-2005, 03:33 PM
What we're normally taught is that initially, before commencing the final approach, Rate of climb/descent is controlled by thrust, and
speed is controlled by pitch. Once we are aligned on the correct glideslope and localizer, rate of climb/descent is controlled by pitch, and speed is controlled by thrust. Sorry I didn't drop by earilier.
26-07-2005, 11:00 PM
My two cents of advice :
If you don't see the runway above the panel, more likely it is because of a high nose attitude, this because a too low speed. This is how I do with usually correct results First thing, check the Vat given for your plane (landing speed, usually around 130 kts on a jetliner) and try to keep your approach about 15-20 kts higher Reduce thrust after the runway threshold and pull the yohe slowly to bring the speed indicator at less than 200 fts/sec. When your copilot yells TEN ! cut completely the thrust and try to near the speed indicator to zero. Usually, when on the glide slope, you should see the runway. if not, the keys combination Ctrl Enter will raise your point of view.
27-07-2005, 12:55 AM
Lately because I ad downloaded some great spark and smoke effects for the DC-3. [http://www.douglasdc3.com] I have been
successfully been practicing belly landings with the gear left up as if jammed. Even if you touch down towards the end of the runway you as you attempt to make as soft touchdown as possible your plane will stop in time but the sparks will fly. As a bonus you really get the feel for sailing down to your destiny. It becomes like a magnate once you get in the slot , try to keep that wiper on the DC-3 lined up with the center lne of the runway, use very gentle banking and use the throttle to control pitch, keep an eye on your sink rate needle more throttle as you near touchdown but not to start climbing again. When you see your aircraft is below landng gear extended level touchdown by looking out the front window cut the throttle raise the nose ever so slightly and your belly willtouch down very softly your sink rate t that pnt should be about 200 ft. then raise the nose that is. At this point there is mnthing more I can do so I skip outside to watch the sparks The DC-3 is a great aircraft to practice this with you an download one with better visiblty at the above site even fly from the right side seat. Once you can do this successfully without crash and burn youwill find landing softly with wheels a breeze. The man problem could be lining up but just work the stick easy get into magnate mode and watch that wiper blade , work your throttle full flaps on final ptch set to 80-85 knots and then have fun. Thats how I learned anyway, in the real world of course this would be too expensive. Happy Sparky Landings
27-07-2005, 12:54 PM
lol i did a belly landing the other day... got the crash damage program installed and saw similar effects, it was great! however, i was really
p'd off with myself because i had been so busy lining up and getting descent sorted that when i landed i realised i totally forgot the gear.
27-07-2005, 02:46 PM
you're not the first and won't be the last, I did that in a Baron once, a long time ago now though. Fact I think it was back in FS2002.
Flying for Landmark Airlines.
28-07-2005, 11:12 PM
You right
landing for me is hard too. i never land Exactly line up on the center of the run way. it always should be right or left to the runway and i end up landing on the ground! can anyone plizzzzzzzzzz tell how to land and line up EXACTLY on the center of the runway with the easiest way ????????????? thanks. Yoni Post Edited ( 07-29-05 00:33 )
YoniHZ
ELY88, 4X-HZY
29-07-2005, 12:47 AM
Hi yoni,
I just open a second window in which I display a chase plane view. Line up straight from behind and you'll know what you're lined up with. Phil
29-07-2005, 02:09 AM
can You use an Autopilot for landig ?
meaning while descending for landing it is automatic line up on the runway by it self. if yes ....can you help me using it ?? what to do ??
YoniHZ
ELY88, 4X-HZY
29-07-2005, 02:34 AM
Ryanamur has really given the main bits of advice as to how to set up your landing. I have to ask though what aircraft are you flying. This
of course will affect the answer. But as indicated above USE THE ILS this is the first and foremost method for lining up on final. The glideslope will take you into the PAPI and you go from there. Now it is important as a pilot to be able to land your aircraft without any of these supplementary aids but ................. to learn the right "picture" use them all to learn how to land. So "yonhiz" you asked how to exacltly land on the centerline.......... Landing is not easy, that is what (to some degree) being a pilot is all about. In fact most pilots I know will sum up their entire flight based on their landing..... I am sure that SWAFO will also tell you but in the real world it is normal to go through almost seasons with your landings, there will be a period where you are so in the groove it is all working and then there will be times when you are just too fatigued or whatever to bring it is perfectly. The one thing about aviation and flying which makes it so fantastic is that each landing or flight will be different. You can almost never have the same combination of weather, temperature, aircraft weight etc etc for any two landings. So each one is somewhat unique. As an example I have just finished six days back to back, and my first five were all days where I was in the groove, landing great, but day six was just the opposite I made a slight over correction for crosswind which ended up making a slight mess of things and resulting in a firmer landing then I would of liked. This relates to my discussion of learning your specific aircraft a touch..... as each one has its different aspects. The 777-300 is very long so the rudder in a crosswind is very effective where the -200 is slightly less so due to it not being as long. As a result three crosswind landings in the -200 which were good resulted in a not so good one in the -300. This is how it goes not every landing can be perfect. You have to practice. Use the ILS to put you on the centerline and into the touch down zone and then practice the flare so that you can land consistently, or at least somewhat consistently, more to follow........... Moving on as a general note when learning or when in a new aircraft it is important to PRACTICE which has also been mentioned. Now FSPAX does not give allowances for flight training etc etc but you should do some circuts in your aircraft, that is for sure the only way to learn how to land it properly and consistently. Anyway there are my two bits........... PS. One thing, becuase this is FS I will also make a note about the control type you are using. In an aircraft of course this is fixed by type and design. I recommend a flight yoke or a good joystick. I have heard of some people using the keyboard or a game pad to try to fly, I dont recommend it as most answers you get will be around the use of a "realistic" flight control device. Flying, scientific understanding with an artistic execution.
30-07-2005, 07:31 PM
This is a very helpful thread. I usually just line up as best I can, slow, and try to place it softly on the strip. I will try some of the
suggestions here and improve my landings. After all I have passengers now. Joseph
30-07-2005, 08:20 PM
Like rchwallace mentioned, PRACTICE is the key. Eventually, you will learn what the picture out the window should look like for a perfect
centerline landing. It does take a while, but once it's perfected it's like riding a bike (except for the MANY variables that factor into play. lol)... I remember when I first started flying with the Marines, I was immediately taught the principles of a "controlled crash", or a carrier landing. That's one of the most difficult procedures you can learn. Once I learned that, I was well on my way to becoming the half-way decent pilot I am today. Now, when the captain gives me a chance to land, I'll almost always make a perfect centerline touchdown in the TDZ (about 1000 ft beyond the edge of the runway)... I love seeing those two white strips on either side of the cockpit, and having the feeling that I greased it perfectly down the center, with main gear on the white TDZ markers. This isn't something you learn overnight, and it will take much practice. Every aircraft is different (especially the F/A-18's I initially flew, and the 737's I fly now), and you've just got to PRACTICE! Sorry for the pointless post... just felt like sharing a few things.
08-08-2005, 06:46 AM
Have had some unhappy results trusting totally on auto land through ils. I like to fly real time so its a real loss to scrub a flight due to
faulty ils. What I do now is make my flight plan, then download real weather. Before starting fs passengers I go to the destination airport active runway and practice the approach and touchdown. On the map check the airport ils frequency for the active runway. Put the frequency into your nav1 radio eg; 110.30 use the center switch on the radio for nav1 to transfer it to the active side. Take off from the active runway, when your altitude reaches 3000ft or so above the local elevation [make sure to hit key B for barometric pressure] set speed to about 180-190 kts with auto throttle(heavy jet) and set auto pilot command to active and set your altidude let the aircraft adjust. Next pause fs, go to map, drag your plane back far enough from the landing feathers on the active runway. Then unpause fs tune in the tower ask for clearance to land. Set the app button [approach] on the autopilot to on so it lights up. Set your flaps I set them for the speed of 185 or 30% in the 737 for example. When the aircraft starts its decent I go to 40% and lower the speed t about 170kts or so. Set your auto brake 3 or max to lessen your workload on touchdown. When your aircraft is in range it will line up with the runway automatically. As you approach it will automatically turn off altitude hold and you will begin to descend. At this pont I save the game so I can practice the landing a few times until I've got it down pat. I find sometimes that the descent rate is to high so I turn off auto throttle and control the speed manually be careful that you are not to high though. Check the vasi lights at the end of the runway all white= to high, should be 2 red and 2 white and you know you are on the glide slope. APP keeps you centered but before touchdown I prefer to shut off autoplot control the aircraft manually keep your eye on the decent rate try to keep it 400 ft per min or less for the touchdown. Alternatively, once you are near touchdown I have experimented by setting altitude at or below the runway elevation and set the vs rate rate of descent to 400ft per min this can be adjusted up or down depending on the vasi reading but I find that there is a tendancy to overshoot doing this. At td hit key z to turn off auto pilot make sure auto throttle is off , hit key " / "to deploy the spoilers, hit key "f2" to deploy reverse thrust don't forget to hit "f1" before you slow to 60 kts or you will be penalized and or damage your engine, if your autobrake is not set you will have to use the brakes yourself to come to a complete halt. Practice this over and over by hitting "; " to reset your approach where you saved it. Look at this not as cheating but as real pilots have to practice in flight sims too in order to keep sharp. If you practice at least on landings you know what to expect and have some confidence that you won't lose your entire flight. This has been helpful to me after I had made a couple of idiot landings off the runway which I used to get away with in fs2004 but fs pax held me to a higher bar, I found out the hard way.
09-08-2005, 06:52 PM
Quote:SWAFO wrote: my kneeboard for these aircraft all state 147 for landing...maybe thats why I've been having trouble......but I have made a couple of great 0 flaps landings in 737's when the flaps have gotten stuck.... I also had forgotten about reverse thrusting....but I remembered last night.....makes for a much better landing...LOL
09-08-2005, 07:02 PM
Quote:Sorry for the pointless post... just felt like sharing a few things.Don't you go call that post pointless now. It describes something most armchair pilots forget about between those addon sceneries, payware panels and home cockpits: a feeling for flying. (Or landing in this case.) |
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