[closed] FsPassengers for FSX official note and please !

[DanSteph]

The correct answer is: I have no idea. As said previously now 90% of FsPX is done... all work as expected and I can already make
complete flight with failure and all features FsP 2004 had. But it miss some things as mini display that I need to rework and some
stuff that I want to add, sound, voicepack, corrections, beta testing, doc, more features etc etc... from 2 to 4 month I would say.

To give an idea:when I started FsP I thought it would took me 6 month, it took me one and half year finally. You never know before programming something how much time it will take, some features take some hours while you can get stuck 3 week on another.
Now I know how it's hard to "finish" such project, 3-4 month look like a reasonnable goal.

Of course I can bypass new features, take the same voicepack and release it like that, would take two month I think but this is not the idea I have for FsPX

But again, don't take my word... it's impossible to predict exactly.

Dan



Post Edited ( 02-13-08 18:09 )

[Mud]

I may not post much here anymore but I check often.
Good to see FSPX takes shape and I'm prolly around when it's gonna be released

Mud

[Delare]

Do you think there could be added some new features for when crusing? On long flights the cruise can often become boring after you've served the meals
and put on a movie, but is there something anyone in this community could think of that would make the cruise more interesting, but still have the
same level of realism?

And since this program is directed to simulate passengers, is there some new features we could add here? Maybe random people delayed to board the
plane, or passengers asking to sit in the cockpit during the flight? The last one might not be real anymore, as most airlines are more strict on
letting the passengers enter the cockpit, but before passengers with fears for flying could ask nicely to sit in the cockpit. What ideas do you have
to add to make FSPX even more interesting and fun than it already is?

[Ali310]

Delare wrote:
Do you think there could be added some new features for when crusing? On long flights the cruise can often become boring

And since this program is directed to simulate passengers, is there some new features we could add here? Maybe random people
delayed to board the
plane, or passengers asking to sit in the cockpit during the flight? The last one might not be real anymore, as most airlines are more strict
on
letting the passengers enter the cockpit, but before passengers with fears for flying could ask nicely to sit in the cockpit.

I agree with you. I remember when I was like.. 6 (I think), I got asked if I wanted to go to the cockpit, and I did. I barely remember anything. I
do remember being given a sticker though LOL.

I'm interested to know what Dan has up his sleeve. There's a 'special information' column on the passengers list - I hope it gets used. I
like the idea for delayed passengers etc..

[xandan]

Jambone wrote:
Xandan, if he had any idea as of yet, he would have mentioned it, I'm sure Just be patient, Dan is doing a great job it's the least you could
do.

i know he's doing a great job lol its just like waiting for Christmas when your a little kid >_< lol

[DanSteph]

UPDATE:


First the great news

-I bought Aerosoft's new DHC6 Twin Otter, amazing ! Now I do bush flying in canada with extrem weater, the twin is very solid !
-I had a FsP brake failure while landing but this wasn't bad as I used only reverse to slow down.
-third I was promoted to C1 commercial pilot... I have done a lot of flights already with my company but flight are always very short
for testing purpose (new flight tour feature) so I had a hard time to accumulate enough hours. (5)

Nothing intteresting for you you would say ?

Don't get me wrong, my playing time are always with FsP in mind, I do test, search what feature would be cool to add etc etc.
So first I spotted a bug with new "rename feature" that I cleared without quitting FsX (VC++ allow edit of code/recompile without quitting in
debug mode)

Second while reading the Twin's check list (and being bored to have the nose on paper) I had a new idea: would be cool that I can record
my own voice as check list that I can trigger by a key or menu, No more eyes on paper, I fire a check list and my own voice say it to me as
would do a copilot. This would be called "spoken check list" feature.

One would just need to fire a new external application "SpokenCheckList" similar to VoicePackCreator (or I modify this one to do both)
wich would allow to create preflight, take off, climb cruise etc etc sound. Such sound would work for all livery of one aircraft.
A menu option (in flight menu) in FsP would allow to play any of those checklist sound as well as some user defined key.

To record them , you can either speak them slowly or switch FsX in windowed mode, disable FsX sound (Q) and speak at the same time
you do the check list (to have right timing)

Now... I evaluate about 8-12 days to get it completely finished with the external utility and internal feature. So:
-Do you think such things would really please you ?
-Would such spoken check list not be boring after 2-3 time playing ?
-Would our own voice not "spoil the fun"
-Would you personally record such check list ?
-Do you think it worth the dev time spent ? (wich may be more usefull develloping other features?)
-Do another software maybe more complete do the same things yet ?

What ya think in brief ?

Dan



Post Edited ( 02-14-08 04:12 )

[Eskel]

Nice Dan. I think it could be fun to ask wife or girlfriend to record checklist )I U could l make full Voicepack creator (not checklist only),
users could make owns voice pack and upload ithem to other users. Than Voicepackes could be more or less emotional, made by girls, boys, kids etc. It
could me realy good fun for all of us.

[jeffreycor]

-Do you think such things would really please you ?
I can see many on here may enjoy this feature. Personally I would not use this

-Would such spoken check list not be boring after 2-3 time playing ?
It might add to realisum but after several flights in an aircraft I have preflight and approch etc in my head so I don't even use a checklist

-Would our own voice not "spoil the fun"
This I don't think is something you'd need to worry about. If voice pack creator doesn't spoil the fun this wouldn't either

-Would you personally record such check list ?
Personally, no i wouldn't.

-Do you think it worth the dev time spent ? (wich may be more usefull develloping other features?)
Depending on community feedback, but I'd think the time with new types of failures and things of that nature would be better.

-Do another software maybe more complete do the same things yet ?
Voice Buddy is listed as having both voice control for aircraft operation as well as voice checklist
"When used with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004, Voice Buddy's checklists replace the existing kneeboard checklists. Instead of inaccurate, inconsistent, downright boring checklists that come with FS2004, after installing Voice Buddy I saw vibrant, full-color, easy-to-read interactive standard operating procedure tables that gave me the ability to play back the Challenge-Response SOP anytime, section-by-section. "
(full review at http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=m...vbuddy.htm)

Eskel, voice pack creator like you mentioned is already in testing and working great



Post Edited ( 02-14-08 06:39 )

[xandan]

My answer is kinda the same as jeffreycor, but it would still be a good feature to have for those that would like it =)

my opinion could change lol if its added, never know untill you try it =)

[plumbob86]

Its a cool idea, but I personaly would not use it.

[Ali310]

-Do you think such things would really please you ?
Yep. I use a printed out checklist (which is actually kind of incomplete, so I've memorized the things that aren't there. Besides, it takes
twice as long cos I have to look at the paper, then up at the screen then back down etc).
-Would such spoken check list not be boring after 2-3 time playing ?
Nope. "ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard this flight" and "V1, rotate, V2" don't get boring, so I don't see why a checklist would (see
above).
-Would our own voice not "spoil the fun"
I wouldn't like to listen to my voice. I'd prefer to hear the american co-pilot's voice lol. or a british one for once.
-Would you personally record such check list ?
Yes, but only for other people to use.
-Do you think it worth the dev time spent ? (wich may be more usefull develloping other features?)
If it's spent properly, and this idea is properly thought out, then yes it would be worth it.
-Do another software maybe more complete do the same things yet ?
Not that I know of - I don't know about many add-ons (except for FSP, FSNav & RC4)

[DBE]

It's a nice idea, but I wonder if the additional effort is worth it.

For a while, I used FlightDeck Companion which also offers a spoken checklist: the advantage of this product is that the checklist isn't only ear
candy: if a check reveals an unsat item, you have to correct it before continuing.

The reason I stopped using it (for the moment): as I am exclusively flying my remaining FSP World Tour #2 legs for the moment, and try to perform each
leg with a different aircraft, it simply takes too much time to configure the checklists to suit each one.

So, my opinion: if you ever have a moment where you stare at your monitor and wonder which additional cool feature could be integrated, then why not?
If not, I don't see it really high on the list of priorities.

[JayKae]

I will be very short on this one, I have to say I agree with DBE on this one

[Urthgental]

-Do you think such things would really please you ?
Yes it does. When flying airliners it adds immension as FSP does ;-)

-Would such spoken check list not be boring after 2-3 time playing ?
No, however checklists have to be interactive and aircraft specific.

-Would our own voice not "spoil the fun"
Yes, I hate my recorded voice

-Would you personally record such check list ?
No, i would expect predefined sets, aircraft specific

-Do another software maybe more complete do the same things yet ?
There are already great tools that deliver this feature: Flight Deck Companion (see DBE comments), FS2Crew (specialized check lists for
major add-ons), FSFlying School, Cockpit Chatter from Flight 1 (voice recognition software for FS). Some add-on aircrafts come with own
check lists (Flight 1 Super 80)

-Do you think it worth the dev time spent ? (wich may be more usefull develloping other features?)
No. If you check other utilities, which are highly specialized on this feature, it think you have to invest more time than expected. People
would complain "this or that is missing", "it conflicts with my FS2Crew" and so on...

[DanSteph]

Much thanks...

After sleep and your advice I think also that this is poorly related to FsPx... may be usefull for some
but not the majority and not really in the scope of FsPx... So I'll rate it very last on my list... probably will not do it.

So I had another idea this morning.

You'll have already: (almost done appart "Aerobatic")
"normal flight" for jet and long commercial flight
"Flight tour" for short flight , bush flight and tour (you can land at same airport, income based on time instead of distance)
"Aerobatic" with 1 pax only where the goal is to shake it.

The new idea is to add two kind of flight:

"Humanitarian:" the goal is to carry cargo and peoples, you would get very low money for such flight but gain higher company reputation
based on distance, the far your flight the more reputation you gain.
"Illegal flight" the goal is to carry illegal goodies, you would get very higher cargo income, but loss a bit of reputation. You would have also
some risk to be catched by "police", you aircraft sold without income for you and all your current flight income loss. The more illegal flight
you do the more the risk is important.

I could add also a parameter with the "morale value" (don't know how to call this one) defining if your company is "good" or "bad", the
worse you are, higher is the risk to get catched.

What ya think about this one ? morale ? Fun ? ("illegal" is not defined and will not be, I'll pretend it's only some cloth)

Dan



Post Edited ( 02-14-08 15:24 )