[official] Why SWAFO was banned

[CODY614]

Wow.....
Not that I really want to get into the middle of all this.........But one needs to be very careful.
I was on one of these witch hunts about 6 years ago.....It involved a forum also.....and somebody found a little dirty tid bit about one of the
owners of the site "A".He was in the process of "Selling" the site and name to an already excisting forum "B", Who wanted to see it ("A") shut down!
Well not to go into a long lenghthy description of all the things that happened.....All fingers pointed at the owner of site "A", sufice it to that
after all was said and done it was all just a miss use of some highly credible information, But at the time all the information(read; tid bit) that
was presented about site "A"'s owner was "easly verifible" off the "Web".....And I say that tongue in cheek. It all fell apart as the days progressed,
More and more facts came to lite that kinda proved that site "A" wasnt' really being sold......But the firestorms that insued between the forums would
have made "Nero" run! Friends became enemies....people packed up and left completly never to return to either forum.
How did it all end up?

Well......
Caution:::::Site "A" maybe offensive to some! It's aweb site that deals with 3D graphics of the Adult kind!
http://www.renderotica.com/
That was site "A"
http://www.renderosity.com/
That was site "B"
Hmmmm....funny how it worked out?

And secondly.....I ran that FAA thingy to find about pilot's....And guess what.....Even though I am certified Private Pilot SEL....My name did not
show up?
I also ran a friends name Who owns a 1958 Cessna Skyhawk here in Phoenix.....And I know he's a licensed pilot he fly's every chance he get's......No
re-turn on his name either!
So my point, And I'm not taking sides.....Just becareful....Dirty laundry is best kept in the "Hamper"!
Just my 2 cents'......

Jeff T.

[Covoxer]

For all we know, he may be a cheif executive under Bin Laden, in which case I wouldn't like to try.

Whre? In NM???

Hey, I bet he is a 16 years kid that had been not sapnked for a long time now.

Remember his: "Marines"!!!

[WBHoenig]

Covoxer wrote:

For all we know, he may be a cheif executive under Bin Laden, in which case I wouldn't like to try.

Whre? In NM???

Hey, I bet he is a 16 years kid that had been not sapnked for a long time now.

Remember his: "Marines"!!!

Seria? Iran?

[Alexair]

Dan,

I agree 100% with you, you made the right choice, was patient enough, investigate as you could. What else to be done? Nothing I guess...

Keep the forum going, it's very nice for FsPax users...

We don't need this kind of guys and this kind of behavior in the flight simming community.
It is quite sad I agree especially because apparently some people appreciate SWAFO, but again what's the point telling lies??

It's always a failure (don't know in english but "un echec" in french) when something is finishing like that... For both parties...

Alex Kratz
FRANCE

[psolk]

OK, I have been watching and reading this all and trying to take it in and formulate my own opinion.
Here it goes:

1. Dan ABSOLUTELY did the right thing. Disregard EVERYTHING else for a second and Brad went into another forum as a representative of FsP and
started essentially a war dragging FsP and Dan into it by constantly referencing FsP in his flames against FT. In my opinion right there he should
have been booted no questions asked.
2. I have NEVER EVER seena r/w pilot beat their chest and make such a POINT to let us all know he was a real pilot. Most r/w pilots try to keep it
on the D/L
3. Anyone of us can send all of these e-mails to a supervisor at SWA. IF for some strange reason Brad does work for them, they would probably
dismiss him as well for the negative publicity he brings to them as a representative of their company.
4. One of Brad's claims was that he had to be real because he knew their company Intranet. I work in Network Securtiy, I know almost everyone's
company Intranet address including COA and Delta but it doesn't qualify me to be a pilot for them because I know their URL LOL
5 And finally, Brad's attitude and arrogance were not cunducive to a happy and healthy forum. I never wanted to get into it with him but the reasoin
I never returned after my surgery was that I felt this had become the "Brad at SWA" forum rather than FSP. Every thread was hijacked by his own
personal feelings and god forbid anyone disagreed with him well, he was the almight moderator.

Frankly,
Brad, SWAFO, SWACP whatever you want to call him shows absolutely no professionalism at all in any respects. He does not represent SWA well (if he
works there) was obviously a horrible representative of FsP, using their name to slander another company and does not seem to understand the very
basics of civility and professionalism.

I always heard a great saying in my house growing up. I was the # 2 goalkeeper in the United States graduating High School, had full scholarships to
numerous schools and even had trials with 3 UK teams. Very unusaul for an American. The point of all of this is that at 18 it gave me a very big
head. My coach always use to tell me that if you beat your own chest hard enough, one day someone else will come along and beat your chest for you...

Personally, I thnk that is what happened to Brad, he stood around at the top of the hill beating his chest and now others have puched him square in
the middle of it and due to his complete lack of humility and sincerity he has no idea how to deal with it.

I think Dan hit the nail on the head, he does not give two craps about FsP or SWA or how he represents them, he cares about himself and as such should
not be a representative for anyone.

On another note I wonder if he knows someone who can service my Patek Phillipe LOL

All the best everyone and my only hope is that the forum returns to the same jovial community this was before I left... Incidentally Dan, if you a re
looking for a replacement mod I would love to throw my name into the hat ... I DO feel that I can offer an unbiased opinion and provide a great deal
of value with my combination of FS and Computer knowledge...

Just my own advertisement there LOL

All the best to everyone, including Brad, if he is an imposter then to be honest, we should feel bad for him he obviously has issues, if he is a real
world pilot then certainly the most unproffesional one I have ever come around and well, he obviously has issues...

All the best everyone, happy holidays to all and a happy festivus to the rest of us...
-Paul

[DanSteph]

CODY614 wrote:
And secondly.....I ran that FAA thingy to find about pilot's....And guess what.....Even though I am certified Private Pilot SEL....My name did
not show up?

True, but now we can imagine also that **another** guy posted on the forum showed in the first post
asking basic 737 questions with the name and the adress email of Brad ? and not only in this forum
also.

Imagination doesn't have any limit

The lesson of all this is not in the favor of humain: whatewer you have done NEVER admit
your fault, there will still be peoples that believe you. So goes the world.

Dan

[CODY614]

Hey Paul.....Have you been to the PMDG forum?......Them real life 747 pilot's beat their chest's all the time!....
Ego's are funny things!



Jeff T.

[DanSteph]

psolk wrote:
OK, I have been watching and reading this all and trying to take it in and formulate my own opinion.
Here it goes:-Paul

Great post, thanks for pointing things so clearly.

Dan

[olseric]

And secondly.....I ran that FAA thingy to find about pilot's....And guess what.....Even though I am certified Private Pilot SEL....My
name did not show up?
I also ran a friends name Who owns a 1958 Cessna Skyhawk here in Phoenix.....And I know he's a licensed pilot he fly's every chance he
get's......No re-turn on his name either

I tend to think that your name will only come up if you had a medical certificate as it seems to show the expirations on them....as well as
CFIs.

As an ATP, Instrument, etc, etc, he would have to be on there.

I have a friend in FL who is currently building PIC hours to eventually become a commerical pilot. Shows his single/multi/commercial
ratings on there....and he's only had it for about a year.

[psolk]

No problem Dan, rest assured that for the majority of us in here we recognize the work you did and the risk of someone with a big mouth jeopardizing
that. I think you would have a hard time to find someone who does not support your decision Dan. Keep your head up, you did the right thing.
You are only as good as those that represent you...
-Paul

[SaVas]

I for one, will stay out of it as I should. Reasons why any bannings have occured are only things I can speculate about from what I have
read on the forum and I should not be judge nor jury. It also will not affect my enjoyment of FsP or the forum, and those of you who come
here to post questions that I might be able to answer, or questions I might ahve that others can help me with. Overall the FsP forums still
have one of the greatest and friendliest group of people, and I do believe it will remain that way.

Keep in mind like any forum, some will come, and some will go. Some are young and some are old. Some mature, and others
immature, but those that cause any kind of negativity tend to be a small minescule minority here.

The only thing I will say is I liked Brad, and although I did occasionally find him a bit strong in wording, occasionally enough for me to
think it was uncalled for and unneccessary, I had no beef with him. And as for Dan, why he banned Brad, and what proof he has, is for
Dan and Dan alone. It isnt information I feel the need to be privvy to. I do know that Dan has one of the best programs for the sim, that I
very much enjoy as a hobby, and he has gone above and beyond to help me and MANY others on the forum moreso than 99.999% of
other devs out there for products I have purchased and that speaks volumes of his character. I also back his decisions on the forum as I
can only base it on the character Dan shows and that is as an honorable developer for the simulator I very much enjoy so with that, the
past is the past, and I look towards the future.

[AKLupine]

Goodness what a thing to wake up too. I guess the "mystery" of why the RW forum disappeared is gone! I am sorry though that something like
this had to happen, it is sad that after all the time spent creating this wonderful program to enhance the FS World that Dan had to then act as a
babysitter. I read the post from Brad that he wrote under the new login and it was very immature in general, but especially from someone to be from
the RW aviation community. I know pilots can be babies, (I deal with them every day,) but never that bad In any case, all he would have had
to provide for proof is a copy of his "blue card" as there is nothing information wise that you don't already have aside from the FAA logo next to his
name. But at the end of the day, Dan don't let this get you down, take a day or two away fromt he project to get your head clear and carry on from
there.

[CODY614]

DanSteph wrote:

CODY614 wrote:
And secondly.....I ran that FAA thingy to find about pilot's....And guess what.....Even though I am certified Private Pilot SEL....My name did
not show up?

True, but now we can imagine also that **another** guy posted on the forum showed in the first post
asking basic 737 questions with the name and the adress email of Brad ? and not only in this forum
also.

Imagination doesn't have any limit

The lesson of all this is not in the favor of humain: whatewer you have done NEVER admit
your fault, there will still be peoples that believe you. So goes the world.

Dan

Well.... Dan my hobbies are many....here's one more thing that makes me leary of these things.....I went shopping for some Radio Controlled
sub's...Pre-manufactured fiberglass hull kit's....Now they average about $1,000.00....So you would think if you contacted some who makes these "Hulls"
you would garner a response thanking you for your interest and such and how may I help you....But with one company his re-turn e-mail to was to state
he was in the process of "Doing an internet search of my e-mail address" and "Couldnt' understand why there were so many like mine(CODY614at MSN.COM)
but not at MSN"?......What the heck kinda reponse is that? For heavens sake he e-mailed back at my e-mail address,Paranoia?
Kinda funny I saved that e-mail from him,and took my bussiness else-where.
And I dont' think that it is "Imagination that has no limits....It should read"Ego's"....Have no limit's.Some just have really big ones....

Jeff T.

[Ryanamur]

First, I'll appologize for not being around yesterday evening when all this started. I noticed Brad's behaviour and attacks flying left and
right between various members of the board and Brad but was unable to address the situation immediately as I had to deal with a
personal situation at home (kids).

My thoughts on this are very simple: Brad had a very strong influence on our community. There is no question that he dominated the
forum and that he had an interest in FsP like many of us. He provided good advise when it was related to FsP but he was sometimes a
abrupt with forum members.

Like all of you, I enjoyed Brad's presence on this board. He will be missed but there is no reason for what he did. I agree with and
support Dan in his decision. I think that the forum should be allowed to continue. Yes, Brad might try to register again but simply ignore
him.

The last few days have been sad for this forum and I hope that we can all turn the page and start over with a clean sheet.

Phil



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