Asking for help: Flying Jets

[Wally]

PRACTICE, PRACTICE and well... you guessed it.... PRACTICE

Well that's how I did it....

[kingfisher-blue]

You say your third attempt went pear shaped, mine were going pear shaped after dozens of attempts and even now I still manage to
prang it, and thats not just the Learjet. Like Wally said, Practice, practice and practice. You will manage it eventually and won`t you feel
good when you do. Happy landings.

[Jason]

For me the Lear seems to be overly sensitive compared to other aircraft. If I breathe on the stick it flails about in the air wildly while ever
other aircraft I fly, mostly POSKY seem to be quite smooth and forgiving. Taking off in the Lear is hilarious, I just touch the stick and it
whips straight up in the air, then I scream and yell and try to level the plane and it dives straight for the ground so I pull up and it goes
vertical straight up in the air again and I give up and take off again using autopilot as if I were flying with the keyboard. Needless to say I
stick to the GA aircraft and the POSKY jets.

[poden]

kingfisher-blue wrote:
You say your third attempt went pear shaped, mine were going pear shaped after dozens of attempts and even now I still manage to
prang it, and thats not just the Learjet. Like Wally said, Practice, practice and practice. You will manage it eventually and won`t you feel
good when you do. Happy landings.

Just pick out an airport with a reasonable runway, and start doing touch & gos until you improve. Also try some different jets too.

[the_nick]

a good runway to make touch and goes is groom lake nice long runway , ILS , always good weather ,.... all the things you need


E: some details from the runway

33R 12959' x 139' concrete ILS 110.30 (X33R)LIRL
15L 12959' x 139' concrete ILS 110.40 (X15L)LIRL
33L 28500' x 149' concrete ILS 110.10 (X33L)LIRL
15R 28500' x 149' concrete ILS 110.20 (X15R)LIRL



Post Edited ( 03-17-08 21:15 )

[dschoene]

Thanx for all the help

After the frustration with the lear I decided to stick to the turboprops for a while until I racked up enough cash to help myself to one of those
Antonov AN-148's

Just greased a visual approach into Kaliningrad in the LET L-410, that was really good for the battered self-esteem

[dschoene]

somehow I'm doomed when it comes to jets. Flew Samborski's AN-148 today (outsideFSP) - or more precisely tried to - a 70-seater for 18.000.000 isn't
that shabby a deal. Well first thing, it's all metric next thin, at 50m Vertical speed, the thing tried to do the Sukhoi Su-37 and climbed
VERTICALLY. needless to say I didn't even make it to departure frequency befor ramming the thing into the ground. *SIGH*

guess i'll be flying embry-airs and dahes till the end of time

[dschoene]

FINALLY MADE IT

The posky CRJ-200 is worlds apart from the default lear. I got the thing down manually at Khrabrovo's RWY 6 without ILS, its perfectly controllable
and I even scored a kiss landing, so I guess its definitely the default lear being a mess

39 moaners... erm...pax delivered successfully, now we're talking

[DBE]

dschoene wrote:
FINALLY MADE IT

The posky CRJ-200 is worlds apart from the default lear. I got the thing down manually at Khrabrovo's RWY 6 without ILS, its perfectly controllable
and I even scored a kiss landing, so I guess its definitely the default lear being a mess

39 moaners... erm...pax delivered successfully, now we're talking

There you go! Now try repeating that feat using you keyboard only..

[dschoene]

DBE wrote:



There you go! Now try repeating that feat using you keyboard only..

We wouldn't want to push our luck now, would we

I want to score some 20 or more hours on it to get used to the jets, it's quite a difference to the props, especially with the higher approach speeds,
everything happens a lot faster. I clocked in some "training" flights over the weekend in the Antonov AN-148 (getting used to the metric stuff is
rather difficult, as you're constantly converting), so that'll be my next target Nice plane, but the panel is a pain in the butt

[dschoene]

Flying jets in fs2004 is supremely frustrating

I'm pretty sure I must do something wrong, the second flight in the CRJ-200 went pear-shaped as well. On one hand it is imposssible to stick to props
forever (especially as the Dreamwings Q400 crashes itself while standing on the ramp) I'm really starting a big time frustration with it Maybe i'm
not the worlds best pilot, but not being able to land those things AT ALL, is quite think :S

[Valoran]

Do you use the airbrake to control your approach speeds? It's "/". I also deploy flaps incrementally to lower speed. You've gotta come in
right close to stall speed and don't flare quite as dramatically as with a light prop. Also, something I have to constantly remind myself is
that you get the 50 points for a nice landing whether you touchdown at -10 or -249. You don't have to float down the runway until you
barely squeak the wheels. Anyway, keep at it and you'll eventually get better.

[Canada_Boy]

Jambone wrote:
Did you not read my second comment? And please tell me when you come across an incident where the plane rams the nose back into the runway as soon as
you move the joystick even a little, not in real life, only in FS.

PS. When I flew that 737 simulator, the captain in charge said I handled the plane better than some RL training pilots, ok that's one
point against me for being cocky but hey, im willing to shout my mouth off about that, but in general i'm not the "cocky little sh*t" kinda guy.

*Prepares to get slated by the "older and wiser" people, who are "always right" *

See what I am saying is.... (not directing it at you, nor was my first post)

I always hear about "Oh I can fly a plane because I play FS" Well people out their have been working their arse off to get into the Air force, of even
fly commercial/ transport planes. You have to go though many tests, work hard, and do tons of training to get in an Air force. Then you meet a kid
who thinks he can fly a simple plane because he plays a Microsoft flight simulator.

Yeah it teaches you ATC and procedures ect. But it is way more stressful if you are in a busy airport environment, and you can't just click the X to
get the ATC to 'become silent' when they start to become annoying. You can't lallygag your way to the runway, go get a drink and take of when you feel
like it. The real world is a lot different then a flight simulator, not easier in anyway.

Having AI aircraft running though your FS plane won't kill you

Just my two € (closest I could find to a cent sign on my keyboard )