Fuel!

[jetBlue220]

Thanks Will.

I have never, EVER, had a problem with the loading on a 747. I flew a 14 hour flight once, and I was still not at MTOW. I think I was at like 92% or
something like that. So unless you're managing your fuel/loading wrong, you shouldn't be anywhere near MTOW in a 747, especially for a very short
flight, or the 5 or so hour one you posted way above...

First flight was not even 1/3 he max fuel load. And why should I over load my aircraft with fuel to please FSP? FSP is a module for a
game, the module should add to my enjoyment - I should not need to add to the module's enjoyment.

Putting in even 20,000 extra lbs. of fuel will not "overload" your aircraft. It would add like 5% to that "not even (33%)".

I haven't ever had a fuel penalty, because I'm smart and I calculate and load enough fuel to have at least an hour more than the needed reserve of 45
minutes, plus extra if I know there is a chance at going around/long taxi/etc. It seems like you encounter this problem a lot, or just are fanatic
about it due to one occurrence, so maybe you should think about planning fuel out better, and especially giving yourself extra fuel.

And...

Exactly my problem. THE CONSUMPTION IS WRONG - especially on short flights!

The consumption is NOT WRONG. If you fly a short flight, let's say an hour to make it easy, and you use 30,000 lbs of fuel (due to it being take off
and climb mostly), then your consumption is 30,000 lbs/hour. There is no logical way to change this around so that it's miraculously 15,000 lbs or
anything like that, just because it shouldn't take into account your climb which uses more fuel.

Also, like Will said, I'm trying to help you. Don't attack people, or else they'll get angry at you, like I'm beginning to be. Calm yourself a little.
So what, there's one slight thing that makes FSP not 100% perfect. It's still pretty damn good. Just cause you don't feel like adding a little more
fuel to your plane doesn't mean FSP has a problem. What happened if you needed to hold due to weather, or something like that in your first flight?
You would've ran out of fuel, because you didn't have enough. That's why you need extra.

[jetBlue220]

Jesus, dude...

You were just saying: "If you are refering to anything else I said, please feel free to point it out so that I can explain myself or apologise where
requried."...Then you come back and start being all sarcastic and demeaning again:

Are these also handled by the FO?

Last time I checked, Captain did the landings... Not sure some of the others is even a option in the real world - they'll destroy the plane
(just like running out of fuel - what a co-incidence).

Told ya lights was merely a example....

To me, that sounds like you're being snotty and disrespectful to people trying to help. So, I'm no longer helping you, like DBE. Deal with your own
problems yourself, dude. It's not our fault that you can't load your fuel properly.

[DanSteph]

savage wrote:
First flight was not even 1/3 of the max fuel load. And why should I over load my aircraft with fuel to please FSP?

It's not to please FSP this is to comply with general air safety rules that where set after thousand
people died because of fuel problems and miscalculations of the pilot.

As pointed FsP calculate that in a fair manner, there is no other way to calculate that.
FsP request rules that are fair and it's not difficult to comply with them. Do you think that
FAA request 45mn reserve for people that are on descent in a steady wind only ?

You estimate that FsP should calculate 45mn at the lower flight profile possible but when you need
those reserve you might not be at all in the low profile.

Now you can discuss forewer for a few lbs of fuel the point is that in real aviation the marge
should be always large enough, if you request that FsP penalise you only at the exact
microsecond it's first impossible and second not at all in the spirit of the flight safety.

Now take the first report, you use a cruise fuel of 21708lbs per hours, this mean that for 45mn
flight at a cruise mode you need 16'810lbs , you landed with only 11614lbs wich mean that you
didn't had sufficient fuel to fly 45 mn EVEN in cruise mode wich is was it's requested in the
flight rules. We don't even speak about an aborted landing in an heavy strom with a divert
requested.

The numbers clearly show that you are wrong, also landing with only 491lbs on a 747 is a
dangerous behaviour and you deserved your penality point ten time. So I don't see the point
to show such nervous behaviour in this thread ?

Please cool down, simply load a bit fuel more, pay attention to the weight before take-off
and all will be smooth.

Hope this help ?

Dan



Post Edited ( 02-05-06 03:57 )

[savage]

Ok, Dan...

Let's discuss this.

I can accept what you said. That's fine, it makes sense.

Now, why can I not disable -300 points for a lousy couple of pounds of fuel (like you said), but I can disable a penalty for flying at 10 Gs ?

10Gs would distruct the aircraft, just like sitting at FL370 without fuel, would more than likely do so as well. Why can the one be disabled, but not the other?

It's not the fuel or how it's calculated that is my problem. As I said, my problem is that other much more significant penalties can be disabled, yet - a couple of pounds of fuel, cannot. At best, why penalise then -300 for a 5 minute shortage, but also -300 for a 1.5hour shortage?



Post Edited ( 02-05-06 04:01 )

[jetBlue220]

Who cares? You shouldn't be doing either things, so just don't do them. No need to disable the penalties if you're not gonna do it anyway!

[jetBlue220]

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[savage]

I care, do you mind?

Why is in flight refueling disabled? Why is slew mode disabled? It's considered 'cheating'.

Then I'm going to rephase... Why allow people to 'cheat' by flying in excessive G forces, but not allow them to cheat by landing without the
min required amount of fuel?

This is unfair and predacious

[jetBlue220]

I have no idea. Make your own addon for Flight Simulator, and you can make those decisions for yourself.

If you are going to stop using FSP just for one little (stupid) thing that you don't like, then that's just dumb.

Maybe the reason the excessive G forces thing is able to be disabled is because it's possible (due to idiotic problems with wind/weather in Flight
Sim) that the G's could become "excessive" without your control. Like when you have quick wind changes, and stuff like that. I'm not exactly sure, but
that seems logical enough. Now, you can't disable the fuel reserve penalty since that's the law, and can't be changed at all due to FS9 problems.

[DanSteph]

It's a pitty to show such behaviour in a forum for such a small "problem" that is even not
FsP's problem but the fact that you can't understand flight safety, accept basic rules
or push a slider a bit further.
FsP is not completely bug free of course as any application that have thousand lines and
I'm ready to discuss that with respectfull people but in this precise case not only you're wrong
but your behaviour is bad.

About penalty disabling they where made because Fs9 can have bug sometime that show unfair
penalty as said jetblue, now there is no point to add 66'000 lines of codes to disable each of the real
66'000 lines of code of FsP to please everyone. People that may request that may better write
their own application.

Thread is closed.

Dan



Post Edited ( 02-05-06 04:26 )