Those Whacky Guatemalan Controllers

[Joeflyer]

I finished a trip from KMEM-MGGT earlier today, but I and my 202 passengers were nearly buried into the side of a mountain while being
vectored for the ILS to RWY 1 in MGGT....no thanks to the FS9 ATC robots I seldom use the ATC function but because I am not
familiar with Guatemalan terrain and airport, I used ATC this time. Also, I had the approach plates for MGGT and knew the winds favored
RWY1 and also knew there is mountainous terrain south of the airport....so, I anticipated being vectored such that I wouldn't come too
close to the mountain that is almost in in line with RWY 1. Well, ATC did a fine job of doing just that until I was instructed to descend to
6,300 from 8,000 and make a left turn to 040 to intercept the LOC. Fortunately the mountain tops weren't obscure with clouds, but there
was quite a bit of cloud cover at the time. At any rate, while making the descending turn(on AP), I was viewing the approach plate then
looked at the monitor and saw rising terrain filling up the windscreen. Suddenly the "Terrain!, Terrain!, Pull up! Pull up!" shouted through
my headset At that moment I thought my company was going to be an after thought amongst the smoking hole. Somehow I was able
to kick off the AP, AT and pull the airplane up to a safe altitude without making the PAXs pissy and without overshooting the LOC. Whew!
Saved my arse and the PAX's arses,too ....again!

Was wondering if any of you have had similar experiences. I'm sure there are numerous stories out there.

[runibl]

I know the experience all too well. I've had plenty of near death experiences while using FS9 ATC, including mountains, plane collisions (especially
hate those where you are cleared to land and then out of nowhere a plane flies through you from behind).

Making the choice of buying Radar Contact 4 is a decision i won't ever regret

[ariccsr]

I have a questioon, this is my first time hearing about Radar Contact 4, if you have any emergencies while flying with FSPassengers will
ATC recognize the changed transponder codes or will it be like FS9 ATC and tell you to set it back to the originall codes?

aric

[runibl]

I never tried changing to emergency transponder code with RC4, so i did some searching on their forum.

It seems RC4 does not recognize switching to emergency codes.
Maybe it will be added in the future.

[Joeflyer]

Does RC4 work well with My Traffic 2006??

[runibl]

ariccsr wrote:
this is my first time hearing about Radar Contact 4

I recommend going to their site http://www.jdtllc.com/ and check it out. You can download the manual and other useful documentations their, which
would provide a lot of info on features, what it's been tested with, tutorials etc.
You might also find some useful info on their forums http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=s...&forum=135
You will also find some videos their with RC4

Joeflyer wrote:
Does RC4 work well with My Traffic 2006??

It says in the manual that it has been tested with My Traffic and a lot of other addons. I don't have My Traffic myself, i'm using World of AI and i
have not found any problems yet.

[jboweruk]

It works with traffic as it sort of 'controls' it. I've not had any mid-air's since using RC4, it's one of my best add-ons, up there with TrackIR,
FSHS and FSPax. It's so much more of a pleasure to fly now than it used to be. A quick overview of some of RC4's capabilities:

1/ still has different voice sets in different accents.
2/ Can pronounce some airlines that default ATC is incapable of and options of using callsigns for others, ie November etc.
3/ Co-Pilot, you need to walk away for a while you can let him/her fly the plane and handle comms. no more cancelled IFR's
4/ Ability to call an Emergency and be vectored either to an alternate or the nearest.
5/ ability to select a runway/approach of your choice, no more 40 mile finals in a Cessna......
6/ Flight Critique, tells you where you went wrong such as busting altitudes etc.
7/ Departure procedures, arrival procedures and RVSM all implemented.

For my money the best ATC there is bar none. I've tried default and VoxATC, Vox doesn't control traffic and default, well let's just say 'nuff
said eh?

[AltairZQ]

I guess it's the same with United States of America controllers when you use FS9 ATC.

[Joeflyer]

One other question...do I need to download FS Navigator as well? I noticed that it is one of the recommened additions for RC4 to work. Is
that correct? That can be pretty darn expensive buying both.

[runibl]

It's not necessary. Just use the default FS9 planner, or a free online planner such as http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/ and http://www.fsroute.com/
FS Navigator or FS Build are recommended because they give you more options in planning your route in detail.

FS Navigator has a free trial, so you can try it out for 20 sesions i think it was.

[Joeflyer]

Yep, I looked at it,thanks. I can tell you this, if I ever commit to getting RC4, you can bet I'll get FS Navigator,too. I know it's pricey, but I want
everything to work and not have to shut down something every 20 min. or so. While I'm at it, I plan on buying IRTracker soon,too. There
goes my bonus check this month! Doh!

[jboweruk]

Ah yes, but think how much better your flying will seem...... :D

[ivoryjedi]

Regarding the original post, I've had some bizarre experiences with FS9 ATC, most of them the fault of poorly tested AFCADs with crosswind techniques
that had the ATC vectoring me to land in some dense forest 50 miles from home.... (had that in Halifax and Toronto within recent memory, an AFCAD
change solved the problem).

My weirdest approach was yet another mountain approach. Innsbruck, Switzerland. Anyone try this? The ATC had me at 10,000 feet until about 2 miles
from the runway and I hadn't flown into Innsbruck before, so I had no idea what to expect. I'm looking around for the damn runway and I realize I've
over shot it by a few miles. Had to fly down into the valley on a visual approach to make the landing. I noted that all the AI aircraft trying to
make the approach couldn't do it; they always went missed and circled perpetually. I suppose another AFCAD might fix that problem too.

[Kpeters]

Lol FS9 atc sucks....I had the same problem in Guatemala....but I didnt trust the control tower...and another time the controller gave me clearence
too land on a 707 when a Cessna 206 was in front of me 2 NM ahead on final....of course my plane was so fast i managed to fly over the cessna and land
the 707 1/4 of the runway lol.

[AA American]

Yea... the atc is terrible. Once I was taxiing to a runway in a little Cessna with a 747-400 taxiing behind me, I was lined up on the runway
and I hear: American Pacific (forgot flight number) you are now cleared to take off. I tried to take off before it rear ended me but the stupid
thing ran over me....