03-03-2007, 12:47 AM
Is that a challenge??
UPS backs out of Airbus
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03-03-2007, 12:47 AM
Is that a challenge??
03-03-2007, 12:50 AM
Quote:Canada_Boy wrote: Dear MacGuyver Here are some matchsticks, a piece of string, some ear plugs and an AA Battery. Please make me a passenger aircraft that's better than what Airbus and Boeing currently make. Yours faithfully Andy I can't wait
03-03-2007, 12:54 AM
Mac
@ jambone. If you want to step outside I would be happy to discuss it with you.8) Joking
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-Ryan
03-03-2007, 01:24 AM
Boebus sux ..... period
Mud Orca Airlines " we'll all go down together "
03-03-2007, 01:33 AM
I actually thought that Airing sucked....
period..... Anastasios.
03-03-2007, 02:26 AM
bye bye airbus is what i've been saying, im not glad to see airbus go (if they do) that would be horrible for airlines that already need to get planes
as cheap as they can get 'em.
03-03-2007, 02:31 AM
Quote:What kind of analysis is it when 10 planes have been canceled Not 10 planes, but 10 orders for considerably more than 10 planes.
Cheers,
Paul
03-03-2007, 02:39 AM
Have you never realised that competition is a good thing?
Imagine there was only one place you could buy your groceries, now that one place can charge what it wants, £20 for an apple for example, if you want an apple, you have to pay it. A second supermarket opens, and charges £12 for an apple, you will go and get your apple there. Hold on, the first place has seen this, and is now selling their apples at £7 ok, your getting your apple at the same store, but for £13 less because of competition. Now tell me, you want airbus out of the market, so boeing can charge whatever they want for their aircraft, which in turn will be paid for by the consumer (thats you, the paying customer )
03-03-2007, 02:44 AM
Quote:Drew wrote:Thank you. I was just about to say something like that. All this Airbus sucks! Go boeing! And vice versa is such crap. A healthy airbus is a good thing, boeing too. Don't forget embraer and canadair (bombardier). As pilots, we need them all so we actually have good planes to fly in the future.
Private pilot (single/multi engine land) KRHV
03-03-2007, 04:03 AM
Love the edge to this topic... and funny enough it always exists to some point between the pilots. But as pilots we are only in a position to fly the
aircraft which are produced and purchased. Having said that.... the competition is a good thing between them. It is important that Boeing does not just own the coup so to say but there is another side to this argument which most of you have not addressed and that is the price point of the aircraft and the resulting performance of the purchased airframe. Airbus (like a VW car) - Always undercuts the competitor with cheap prices, knocking them down to the point where you can get (at times) three airbus aircraft for the cost of two boeing (comparable products in size and task). - Airbus aircraft virtually always come in under the books performance figures to the point where they say it will do a specific job is purchased to do that job and then ends up costing the company an additional 6% or so to do the job, (basically underperforms the book) Boeing (like a Mercedes car) - Only takes their price to a reasonable level but will never just keep cutting. - Aircraft like the 777-300ER consistently out perform the book value offering better profit margin on the task the aircraft was assigned to. Air France I think posted in flight international or somewhere plus 3% performance on the aircraft once entering service. In flight simulator as a caution many of the limitations of the aircraft are not really relevant. This program (FS PAX) would bring you the closest to being able to recognize what some of the limitations are but if you look at a ULH flight anywhere above 10hrs for the A340 and then look at the same flight with a boeing, maybe the jumbo or the 777 and you will see that at some point in order to make the flight work the airbus has to offload cargo or passengers to be able to put on the fuel. This happens for the boeing as well mind you but only for the long serious sectors where they are looking at having to load up to the max. What I am saying though is that there is a crossover point where the airbus is leaving potential money behind on some sectors where if you put a boeing on it you would be fine. Flying, scientific understanding with an artistic execution.
03-03-2007, 04:57 AM
Quote:Drew wrote:i did just say that the two companies competing is cheaper for airlines did i not? i dont think we want airbus out of the market but if they continue on with this sloppy business they will be. and don't argue me about whether or not they've been sloppy. We all know they have been.
03-03-2007, 05:41 AM
Quote:Airbus (like a VW car) Careful, VW makes a pretty decent car. I know, I own one. Honestly, the only people the Boeing/Airbus scrap really effects directly are stockholders and employees of either company. The rest of us tend to only care that the aluminum deathtrap we cram ourselves into gets us from point A to point B without making point B a large smoking crater in someone's back yard. Neither company have a perfect track record on that account. Build a black box with wings and it'll put them all out of business. Charlie don't surf!
03-03-2007, 11:51 AM
Airbus isn't bad! Airbus got to stay on the market!
Boeing isn't bad! Boeing go to stay on the market! None of them should out of the market really! What I like Airbus for is that they make aircrafts that use less fuel than Boeing! Boeing could really learn some from Airbus! Yes I'm european and I backup Airbus 100%!
03-03-2007, 07:42 PM
Hmmmm. I was thining. What if Rockwell could make and airliner that was as sleek and heartstopping as the B-1B? Now that
would get my vote. Charlie don't surf! |
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