-900 points thanks to ATC

[lightrail]

Would ATC really vector jet aircraft on a visual for 22L? On an IFR plan I was told to stay at 3600 (to clear the mountains) then do visual approach
to 22L - this requires a nose dive with spoilers deployed and my copilot having a heart attack. I put it down over halfway down 22L, rolling off the
end a few metres - but got docked a lot of points for the "dangerous landing" and a bill for landing gear damage - I went straight up to ATC to tell
them off and give them the bill.

I gotta find easier airports to land at

[lightrail]

Sorry - the above is at PHNL

[FlyBoy2]

you can ask for a different runway at HNL if it is the short rwy I usally will ask for the longest one depending on the wind direction.



Joel

[lightrail]

Yes, I tried that and got a GPS approach to 8R with instructions to circle and land Runway 22L

Then I cancelled IFR and got vectors to 22L - asked for another runway and only offer was 22R

[nevinch]

The most important thing....you are flying the A/c not ATC. You tell them what you require....of course MS ATC isn't very accomodating in
fact sometimes they are idiotic at landing planes but usually when they start getting uppity with me I just put the plane down on the
runway that is the safest to land on and also the runway that a real world operator might agree on in my situation.

[pegase]

The IFR ATC has the big advantage to keep you clear from the mountains.
The inconvegnence is that care can be eccessive and some visual approach assignments are more fitted for stukas or helicopters than for jetliners.
The IFR ATC is indeed very stiff about runway assignments. The only turn aroud I know about this is to cancel the IFR, ask then a VFR clearance. It
still assign to the same runway but in VFR mode you can ask for the runway you wish. ((listen to ATIS first anyway...)

In counterpart, you have no path assistance, up to you to find your way for the approach and landing you decided.

[Kahlua]

Try finding an AFCAD that uses the crosswind landing techique... I have them for KJFK and KLGA and now I can use any runway I want,
under IFR conditions.