Dan

[gbapache]

DO NOT LOSE THAT
CODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joeflyer]

Ditto Apache's response....put that sucker on a CD / DVD/thumb drive (all if you can), lock it away in a safety deposit box!

[tupuluruk]

Thanks a lot for the valuable advice.... will ensure that
I do not lose it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anastasios85]

It seems that I left on time....

[Joeflyer]

Anastasios85 wrote:
It seems that I left on time....

??

[Anastasios85]

Ah you don't remember me Joe? I left the forum, I think a few years ago because it became less friendly and the update part was lacking.

I checked in every now and then to check what's new, but it seems nothing has improved. Sad to see Dan has abandoned the ship.

When I read this I'm glad I left a while ago.

Tasso.

[Joeflyer]

Tasso?? Of course I remember you and I recalled the screen name seemed familiar, but you didn't expand by saying hello to us old timers on here
Wasn't for sure if you are the same person. Welcome back...even if it is just to say hello. Are you still in the aviation world or have you gone on to
other things?

I do check in from time to time on here, but my work travels keep me quite busy. At any rate, you are so correct about the FsP community as a whole.
Dan is certainly not interested in further development of FsP, and he doesn't seem to be interested at all in selling all rights, title and interest
to anyone else. It's a shame.

[Leftcoaster]

I've been hanging around here since September 2005, when FsP for FS9 was shiny and new, watching the community change, adding
some input where it seemed appropriate and reading most posts at some point.

To be honest it comes as no real shock that Dan has left the building.

I have no idea how much income he derived from the program and really don't care but if it was significantly greater than the minimum
wage for a First-World country for the hours expended on it I would be surprised. I would bet a pension check that it never made him
wealthy.

FsP is a neat little addition to M$ flight sims and I'm glad that I bought it. However this community has certainly changed and while I
always enjoy reading what Joeflyer writes and Mr. GBApache is generally good for a smile or two, and a few others are positive and
welcoming the overall tone of the Forum has become nasty.

Customers who have been unable to activate the program that they bought are understandably upset, there's zero excuse for this and if it
was within Dan's ability to solve there problems and he did nothing, then my respect for him is much greatly diminished. However I
suspect that there is more going on than we can know so I am willing to give him a pass without positive data to the contrary.

Unfortunately though, a big chunk of the posting trend can mostly be summed up as:

"I did something stupid and FsP penalized me. FsP sux!"

"I can't land and FsP caused a tire blow out. FsP sux."

"FsP caused my monitor to explode. FsP sux."

"FsP made my cat cough up a hairball on the rug. FsP sux."

"Nobody made the payload model for my particular plane. FsP sux."

And so on, you get the idea.

Shamefully, way back when my first couple of posts here were along the lines of one or two of the above but the problems were self
inflicted. I failed to look at the documentation or was a bad sim-pilot or just did something stupid. Fair ball but along the way things
became very toxic around here. Some of the vitriol thrown at Dan may feel warranted by certain persons but all in all if he came back I
would not expect a big happy welcome waiting for him.

But somebody is paying for this web site.

I have done some modding of other games and posted them on forums much like this and a segment of the community always wants
more, wants it for free and wants it right bloody now. So when that happens I have walked away from those forums without looking back
since it poisons all the hours of work that you might have done. This might just be the case with Dan Stelph and FsP. Or perhaps not...

If you're not coming back Dan, thanks for FsP, I got my monies worth years ago.

To the Old Guard hanging in there, thank you for your continued posts and Good Luck; I do look forward to your comments even if I seldom
reply. As for me, I'll probably continue to stop in and try to help those rare FS pilots who fly vintage aircraft in the 30's, 40's and 50's using
FsP if I can do so. Besides at this rate I might hit 200-posts by 2015.

Best Regards,

Christopher C
Vancouver Island

[gbapache]

A year or so ago this web site had crashed when Dan hadn't paid to keep it up and running. If that happens again, I'll just say that it's been fun.

[Anastasios85]

Yes, still in aviation. The last three years I have a 2nd job as a teacher. In the meanwhile I'm preparing to become a purser and later maybe flight safety trainer.
I'm with KLM now for more than six years... Time flies...

FsP has been one of the best add-ons ever created for FS. It's a shame he gave up. I do appreciate that I have been part of the beginning of this forum.
Finally I can say the magic words: 'The good ol' days'.

Tasos.

[bschaffer1952]

Hmm, I don't know if your FEARLESS LEADER is till missing in action, but this whole thing reminds me so much of what has happened over at
Surclaro.Com. A very popular flight sim website whose own FEARLESS LEADER suddenly went missing and seems to have abandoned his
exceptional 5-Star rated website. The remaining Mod's at Surclaro continue to monitor the shop floor, but their powers have been largely restricted.
The website continues to generate income via advertising. But the website inexplicably stays operational and isstill collecting revenue via it's
advertising partners, but the owner and operator hasn't been seen or hear from in more than one year.



For more information, join the Surclaro.Com Forums.



I'm going to be watching this thread and will advise you all about any relative discoveries that I may find.



Brucie

Nothing more to add today. Sunday, 15 Sept 2013



Post Edited ( 09-15-13 20:07 )

[bschaffer1952]

We've now seen two successful businesses go offline for inexplicable reasons. FSPassenger's and Surclaro.com. Even the tried and true MODS of
these forums don't have a single clue as to why the CEO's have gone missing. These are mysteries that deify description. There should be no doubt
that these software developers, website owners/operators should retain some level of loyalty to their customer's.



I personally feel that ALL online businesses would be best advised (if not required) to register their developing online companies with the BBB
(Better Business Bureau). Some of you might feel that a requirement like this puts too much regulatory control over new, developing, start up
companies. I am personally getting tired of buying into great ideas and technologies that suddenly disappear into the abyss, without any explanation
and for no apparent reason.



We can speculate endlessly amongst ourselves until "the cows come home," but we will never know the truth until we get a clear explanation from
the "horses mouth".



Until that happens, it's going to be Drama, drama, drama!



Don't waste your energy, is my best advice. Try as you might to speculate about what's going on and the reasons why certain people have gone
missing is none of your business. Unless you have the dough to hire a private investigator to track him/her down.



The only real alternative is to be careful about what new and developing technologies that you purchase. Before you make a purchase, ask the
company why they haven't registered their label with the BBB?



I certainly don't want to see the Internet being regulated by ANY GOVERNMENT. But with all the inexplicably disappearing companies, something
must be done.to help protect the End Users, It also has to be investigated: What Are Out ACTUAL EULA Rights.



I WOULD BE FABULOUSLY INTERESTED TO HEAR OPINIONS FROM ANY US ATTORNEY'S WHO UNDERSTAND THE WHERE WITH ALL
ABOUT THESE ON;LINE INTERNET COMPAINIES WHO SET UP LONG TERM OPERATIONS AND THEN DISAPPEAR INTO THE IONISPHERE
FROM WHICH THEY ARRIVED INTO OUR MIDST. What are our rights? What can we (the average Internet Shopper) do to protect him or herself?



Respectfully,



Bruce Schaffer

[Leftcoaster]

They do not owe us an explanation as to why they might have walked away from their own creations. We're customers, nothing more and
while a "Good bye and good luck" might have been the decent thing to do and a sound business practice, Dan Stelph was under no legal
obligation that I can see to even do that.

If you buy a toaster and the manufacturer goes out of the toaster business they hardly have an obligation to service your toaster for all time
to come. Or to keep you apprised of the status of the company's toaster line. Companies that make things that can kill, airplanes,
automobiles etc. have a liability that may extend past the life of the firm but this hardly applies to FsP or Suclaro software.

The Internet has created this false sense of entitlement in message forms. We paid for a product, if that product fails to meet the legal
terms set out in the contract that we accepted at time of purchase there may be some legal avenues to explore. Whether legal action
might be worth the cost and effort is up to the individual but in the case of a $40.00 piece of software I suspect that it may be very unlikely
to get anything resembling a "win".

If the program is merely unsatisfactory in detail or function, well caveat emptor and all that. Rant, rave and move along since there's
nothing else to see here. So much drama over so little cause.

Life's too short to drink bad wine or fret over the doings of Mr. Stelph et al so I'm going to take Gbapache's good advice, put on some Pink
Floyd and put away a cold-one. And then I will take a DC-6B some place in my FS9 universe using my not at all perfect but in most
respects satisfactory, FsP.

Regards.

Christopher C.

[Joeflyer]

and Boston playing in the background will sooth the nerves

[gbapache]

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the first Boston album ( yes plastic ). Try this one on old guys.............Moody Blues.