14-02-2006, 08:13 AM
ivo:
using walkthrough is considered a cheating too.
Well, it really happens in RW. You can buy old plane, fix it and sell with profit. There are companies that are doing such things. And it
works.
And it is not cheating to do it in FsP. But only if you do it right, like most FsP players do.
I see you didn't read my posts carefully, so I'll explain in short why it is a cheating what
You see, there is a litte mistake in FsP.
When you find a profitable offer (cheap old plane), you buy it, fix it and sell it with income. That's pretty fair. But what would you do next in
reality? You would have to search for another profitable proposition. Right?
And here Snake uses FsP loophole, as we call it here
Actually, the proposition that you just have bought, is still available!
So you can by it again, and again and again a thouthand times in a row!!! You don't even have to exit from company manager, or even look
at screen! You just repeat the same sequence of clicks...
Do you understand? There's no way in reality to by the plane that you've already bought, fixed and sold.
Using this mistake is a cheat. But if you earn money buing and fixing planes without buing the same proposition twice, you are not
cheating by any means!
bug of MSFS and so it is to blame for the pilot mistake. Just like AI traffic that hunts you from behind. This way, the player only protects
him from the glitches. Besides, not saving flight, he loses all hours that he had flown (reality time), so he is punished too.
I would rather compare this example to making backup copies of the FsP database, which is even recommended by the developer.

I see that many people find me to severe as to the cheating definition.
But at least I have explained my point here.
My definition is made on my personal experience and I find it quite informative.
But if you can propose a better one, I'm here to listen.
If some people lie, don't you think it's fair to call them liers? And does it mean that you have to call others liers too, like you suggest?

But still I think that we have to call things with a right names.

Quote:Let's say you buy this action game for PS2 or PC, and you reach a level where there is a guy that is very strong and he won't die.If it is a glitch and not implemented headshot feature, then yes, it is called a cheat among action game players. Exactly the same as
You mission is to kill him. Let's it is supposed to take people 200 shots to kill this guy, but there is a glitch in the game and if you shoot
him in the head, he dies instantly. Do you call that cheating?
using walkthrough is considered a cheating too.
Quote:Of course, I never said it was right either, since in real life, no one will buy a plane for more than it
actually costs. If you could buy a used and broken down plane and fix it, everyone would be doing so. But that doesn't happen in real life.
Well, it really happens in RW. You can buy old plane, fix it and sell with profit. There are companies that are doing such things. And it
works.
And it is not cheating to do it in FsP. But only if you do it right, like most FsP players do.
I see you didn't read my posts carefully, so I'll explain in short why it is a cheating what
Quote:Snakedid.
You see, there is a litte mistake in FsP.
When you find a profitable offer (cheap old plane), you buy it, fix it and sell it with income. That's pretty fair. But what would you do next in
reality? You would have to search for another profitable proposition. Right?
And here Snake uses FsP loophole, as we call it here

Actually, the proposition that you just have bought, is still available!

So you can by it again, and again and again a thouthand times in a row!!! You don't even have to exit from company manager, or even look
at screen! You just repeat the same sequence of clicks...
Do you understand? There's no way in reality to by the plane that you've already bought, fixed and sold.
Using this mistake is a cheat. But if you earn money buing and fixing planes without buing the same proposition twice, you are not
cheating by any means!

Quote:But on final approach, the frame rates kill you. It goes down to something like 2.5. The plane becomes unresponsive and youNo. There's no way in reality to get 2.5fps you know. And this issue was not intended to happen by the software developer. So this is a
crash. You decide not to save that flight, as it really wasn't fair. Do you call this guy a cheater? FS was running, and the plane was flying.
bug of MSFS and so it is to blame for the pilot mistake. Just like AI traffic that hunts you from behind. This way, the player only protects
him from the glitches. Besides, not saving flight, he loses all hours that he had flown (reality time), so he is punished too.
I would rather compare this example to making backup copies of the FsP database, which is even recommended by the developer.

Quote:The question is, where do you draw the line?Good question!

I see that many people find me to severe as to the cheating definition.
But at least I have explained my point here.
My definition is made on my personal experience and I find it quite informative.
But if you can propose a better one, I'm here to listen.

Quote:If you call one person a cheater, you have to call the other people cheater too.Well, I call a cheater everyone that cheats. I think it's fair. No?
If some people lie, don't you think it's fair to call them liers? And does it mean that you have to call others liers too, like you suggest?
Quote:So I think that we should not call anyone a cheater, and just keep playing FsP.Sure we keep playing!

But still I think that we have to call things with a right names.

John