About the 1300nm cap

[Minami Chan]

Thanks for the update. Unfortunately, I have no plan of switching to P3D yet... But great works anyway. Thanks.

Too bad because I cannot spend countless hour on testing the economics and I would need users advices to tune things.
Also this FsPassengers "v4" version will probably be released for FsX in some month with the same code.

If you don't mind that I ask some questions ?

I removed the 1400 CAP and set this new calculus as below.
I checked the longest air line in the world is Doha->Auckland and it's not so expensive in economic, about $2000 only.

Does this sound good for you ? (Green line, distance in km NOT Nm)

The insurance costs for international flights are ridiculous.

Do you have some example of flight income/insurance ?

Kind regards

Dan

Hi Dan, Thank you for trusting my inputs. Really appreciate it. Too bad that I accidentally closed my browser after finishing a thousand words reply. I will make it concise this time.

The green line really reflects what I wanted to convey. I think it is accurate enough for flight sim purposes. Only thing is that short flights can be cheaper since nowadays low-cost operators are popular for short trips. Some other considerations like seasons and the fact that airlines set low prices at first then gradually increase them are hard to implement so can be ignored.

Some examples of ticket prices as we sell them (lowest possible options, not including taxes and insurances)
(Transfer flights are cheaper for international/long flights and can be considered equivalent to low-cost flights for short hauls.)
Short:
LGW-FRA (400nm): Ryanair: $25 (lol), BA and Lufthansa: $100
NKG-PEK (600nm): China Eastern: $50, Air China: $70

Med:
BOS-SFO (2300nm): United: $200, Delta & JetBlue: $400
NRT-HNL (3300nm): JAL: $450, United & ANA: $650, Hawaiian: $850

Long:
LHR-LAX (4700nm): Norwegian: $600 (transfer flight), Air New Zealand: $1000, AA & BA: $2000
PEK-SFO (5100nm): Delta (2 transfer flights): $500, United: $1000, Air China: $1500

Extra long:
DOH-LAX (7200nm): Turkish & BA (transfer flight): $1400, Qatar: $1750
SYD-JFK (8700nm): Qantas & United (transfer flight): $1300, Qantas: $2000 (This one will be flown on the new A350ULR. Operations are expected to begin in 2022, this will be the longest nonstop commercial flight. The price is estimated.)

(PS: these prices are only valid at my location at the moment of this reply. Since I use a different currency, I rounded the prices to the nearest hundreds)

The effects of routes, operators and seasons sometimes exceed that of distances. It's just too complicated and dynamic.

In terms of incomes, I have no first hand info. But according to what we know about the industry, it's not that much.
Ryanair normally has a load factor of 90% which is impressive. A flight of 600nm with 737-800 costs around $8000-10000 including salary, fuel, taxes, maintenance costs, airframe costs (aircraft price per cycle), insurances and airlines running costs. 90% on a 738 is around 160 passengers. If they operate the flight with a price lower than $50 per passenger, they lose money. SWA's main profit is not their flights according to some. They invest in petroleum. BA on the other hand has a load factor of 80%, but their tickets are much more expensive. The average profit per passenger across the industry is around 2%-4% fare price. (second hand info, take with a grain of salt)

About insurance, it differs from country to country since the legislation determines the minimum insurance per passenger, per passenger's baggage, per kg of cargo and per airframe (MTOW related). In simple words, most AOC holders pay the insurances for their aircraft according to the MTOW, which are the minimum requirement in terms of insurances and are normally paid annually (just like cars.) Crew member insurances are covered by the company and sometimes the gov. Passenger, baggage and cargo insurances depend. In many countries, passengers pay for their own insurance (included in the fare price. In China you can choose not to buy insurance and have a cheaper flight.)

For the EU, here's some websites that can explain better than me:
https://www.aviationreg.ie/airline-licen...e.574.html
https://www.marsh.com/uk/industries/avia...rance.html

BTW thank you for not dropping FSX version and deciding to make V4 version for FSX. I will definitely buy it when it's available.

Minami