FsP World Tour - Season #2 (Thread #2)

[FsP Dennis]

Dutch64 wrote:
I don't mind, i would like to keep to schedule and if we miss a flight we can catch up offline? Just my opinion

If someone is gonna fly tomorrow I'll do too!

[Dutch64]

Mac wrote:

Dutch64 wrote:

Mac wrote:

Sorry there aren't any of the landing, I had a problem with a stubborn No.2 throttle which needed priority.

When using fsinn, sometimes when typing to the chat window, instead you type to the plane. This can cause some trouble like engine throttles not
responding anymore. Best would be to assign a different key stroke to the engines commands, anything else than just E, maybe something like CTRL+E or so

Actually it was more to do with me trying to retract the detented spoilers manually with the mouse, and missing by quite a bit

Now i know why i drink when flying

[Ceemosp]

The AS problem is new to me, sounds more like a graphics driver issue.

Hmmm...if FSInn is the only program causing me problems, do I change the whole system to make ONE program work

Regards
Carsten

[DSW334]

I would stick with the schedule as it is. Who can't make it, can't make it and will fly the next flight offline.. For me it is just a matter of get
FSinn working properly.. I just made a sight seeing tour to Pago Pago and I already like the place.. The controller who guided me down said she is
wearing hawaii skirts everyday.. :P Sure wanna meet here

[HB-100]

I would like to fly tomorrow or sunday but earlier the day. say 13:00 gmt or 14:00gmt. At 20:00 it is very unsure if I have time.

About FSInn.. It really doesnt work prope for me. It is definitive instable (v1.2). in many ways that it puts the flight itself in danger...
I dont know if the older version was more stable when you say you flew world tour1 with that without trouble.
The only thing I like in FSInn is the weather and ok the radar.

I dont know about the alternatives. In my old SATCO days (before vatsim and before everything became that hurting serious there) we
used squakbox. I cant remember to had problems there in MP ever. But ok it is long since and my memory might not be that correct
anymore.
We could connect to an own net when someone is capable to host the session. The server code should be available on net.

Or maybe we can go without any other programm.
I dont know. But that FSInn is a pain to me.

[DBE]

Guys: FSInn 1.1 is available over at the FSP World Tour Site. Maybe it's worth trying it out since it was successfully in use during the whole of last
year's tour.

[Dutch64]

I would like to help as much as possible, I use fsinn 1.2 for quite some time already and don't have any probs with it. When i started using fsinn
(earlier releases) i had some probs with it but all has been solved. Can anyone with problems please exactly state what the problems are, maybe we can
solve it somehow.

[Joeflyer]

I haven't had any problems with FSinn so far. Maybe I'm lucky or too buzzed to care while I'm flying

[DSW334]

Fsinn just suddenly turns FS9 into black screen and then CTD.. It occurs random.. I had it on the taxiway, mid-air and while parked waiting for others
to join.. I read the FAQ at MCDU and already added that line to the detail section of fs9.cfg.. but that didn't help..

[HB-100]

FsP Dennis wrote:
A question about the ILS landing on NCRG yesterday:
were I the only one who had problems with it ? It took me to fast down so I had to land manually and + my computer was lagging a bit on
approach - I made a -700ft landing...

I can't help you here I landed on rwy 26 watching the ils -glide only till to a point and did the rest visual. I had 11 knt backwind so I had
more to concentrate on my speed and agle and correct touchdown point when I was comming in and that was best to do without the glide.

Dutch64 wrote:
I would like to help as much as possible, I use fsinn 1.2 for quite some time already and don't have any probs with it. When i started
using fsinn
(earlier releases) i had some probs with it but all has been solved. Can anyone with problems please exactly state what the problems
are, maybe we can
solve it somehow.

Ok, I already listed them in the threda before.
Let mes see if I can put them togeter again: I will list them in prio.

1) The breaks do not respond right. Flickering, breaks go on and of the very next moment. Sometimes several second delayed they
come on again. Sometimes they work but do not break as strong as they should. The difference without FSInn is very extrem.

Example LIRJ, 3923ft, the shortest rwy I am able to land with my A320 safe with stop before rwy end. I did that more than one time. And
did that online too wherase the SATCO controllers didnt like me to do that because its unrealistic.
Same plane and FSINN ON . even NTTB 4944ft , 25% longer! gives me trouble to bring the plane to a stop. I tried it 4 times after- 2 time
it did not stop at all. 1 time I overrun and 1 time it was as close as in the online flight.
So not even +1000ft +25% lenght is safe for me with FSInn to land.

As you can think of this is FSInn killer NR1 for me. Damn ugly feeling if you can not trust in your breaks and every landing on short rwy
becomes a lottery to you.

2) Chatt window loseing focus. Very cool if you are able to type 1 letter in the chatt window only and all the next goes as command to your
plane and copilot. Happend on almost every online session I flow with FSInn now. Radar closing alone seems not to help. So far I had
too shut down the whole FSInn what leads to Nr3:

3) after shutting down FSInn and restarting the FS multiplayer has two FSInn listed and all fellow people are gone. They can see me, but I
can not see them anymore. Tried all sort of varaiation of closing FS-MP and FSInn. All negative. Once I close it , and for problem NR2 I
have to..you are gone!

4) On FS start I can not bring up the FS menu bar for 5 min! or slew the plane or do anything. FSInn is blocking everything.

5) FLC was stick on me the last fly. Several disconnecting and reconnecting from my and FLC's side and also closing and restarting
FSInn did not help..(only leaded to prob Nr.3 3 and I had to reboot FS). Somehwen after FS reboot it was solved. But FLC did also go off
and on. he will hardly have the same internal ip as i have because I picked mine very random. But if you want to veryfy my ending is
148.11

6) One time FSInn started a lot of net traffic and blocked FS completly. Also alt-tab did not work. even ctrl-alt-del did not work! But no the
pc was not frozzen, FS and FSInn was working just blocking any inputs. I had to restart the pc.

7) and finnaly the lless of my worries but still faulty: FSInn does not open the MP session as docummented. I have to do it manual.

Hmm at the moment I cant remember more.. But you see that this points above excetp the last are really killing me all pleasure.
How could the yprogram such an instable peace of. s.. well you know..it's really frustrating. I never had such problems with my FS2004
before.



Post Edited ( 12-22-06 22:11 )

[Dutch64]

HB-100 wrote:

Ok, I already listed them in the threda before.
Let mes see if I can put them togeter again: I will list them in prio.

1) The breaks do not respond right. Flickering, breaks go on and of the very next moment. Sometimes several second delayed they
come on again. Sometimes they work but do not break as strong as they should. The difference without FSInn is very extrem.

Example LIRJ, 3923ft, the shortest rwy I am able to land with my A320 safe with stop before rwy end. I did that more than one time. And
did that online too wherase the SATCO controllers didnt like me to do that because its unrealistic.
Same plane and FSINN ON . even NTTB 4944ft , 25% longer! gives me trouble to bring the plane to a stop. I tried it 4 times after- 2 time
it did not stop at all. 1 time I overrun and 1 time it was as close as in the online flight.
So not even +1000ft +25% lenght is safe for me with FSInn to land.

As you can think of this is FSInn killer NR1 for me. Damn ugly feeling if you can not trust in your breaks and every landing on short rwy
becomes a lottery to you.

Check your key assignments, sounds like something is messing up there

2) Chatt window loseing focus. Very cool if you are able to type 1 letter in the chatt window only and all the next goes as command to your
plane and copilot. Happend on almost every online session I flow with FSInn now. Radar closing alone seems not to help. So far I had
too shut down the whole FSInn what leads to Nr3:

Happens sometimes but not that often usually as you describe

3) after shutting down FSInn and restarting the FS multiplayer has two FSInn listed and all fellow people are gone. They can see me, but I
can not see them anymore. Tried all sort of varaiation of closing FS-MP and FSInn. All negative. Once I close it , and for problem NR2 I
have to..you are gone!

After shutting down fsinn, minimize fs9, check your taskbar (bottom right) and close fsinn icons there also

4) On FS start I can not bring up the FS menu bar for 5 min! or slew the plane or do anything. FSInn is blocking everything.

you mean when starting fsinn or fs9? when starting fsinn the first time it's building a plane list of all your planes in fs

5) FLC was stick on me the last fly. Several disconnecting and reconnecting from my and FLC's side and also closing and restarting
FSInn did not help..(only leaded to prob Nr.3 3 and I had to reboot FS). Somehwen after FS reboot it was solved. But FLC did also go off
and on. he will hardly have the same internal ip as i have because I picked mine very random. But if you want to veryfy my ending is
148.11

That was solved yesterday, flc disabled peer to peer

6) One time FSInn started a lot of net traffic and blocked FS completly. Also alt-tab did not work. even ctrl-alt-del did not work! But no the
pc was not frozzen, FS and FSInn was working just blocking any inputs. I had to restart the pc.

Are you using a firewall (especially zone alarm), set zone alarm to allow everything or disable other firewalls you have. Also disable antivir scanners

7) and finnaly the lless of my worries but still faulty: FSInn does not open the MP session as docummented. I have to do it manual.

Sounds also like component blocking by your firewall.

Anyhow, all these problems, you might want to uninstall fsinn, remove it also from the registry!! and install again. But disable firewall and antivir

[FsP Dennis]

HB first you got to install FSCOPILOT 1.6 to install FSINN also reinstall that. If you haven't done this last time try do it now INSTALL the
program called VB6 it could be the problem but I won't promise anything.

Good luck

[HB-100]

Dutch64 wrote:
(breaks) Check your key assignments, sounds like something is messing up there

I use the joystick button to break, so it should not be a conflict with any keyboard assignement.
Useing the keyboard to break however leads to the same problem..

Dutch64 wrote:
(Chatt) Happens sometimes but not that often usually as you describe

Happend EVERY time.

Dutch64 wrote:
(MP lost) After shutting down fsinn, minimize fs9, check your taskbar (bottom right) and close fsinn icons there also

ok that is usefull. will try that the next time.

Dutch64 wrote:
(5 min start blockade) you mean when starting fsinn or fs9? when starting fsinn the first time it's building a plane list of all your planes in
fs

When starting FS. The plane list he generates EVERY time I start. Sometimes even in the background ..presenting me a black screen
then, The 5 min wait is after that. Ok it might be less than 5 min but more than 1 or 2 just a signbificant time that is very anyoing.

(FLC stick) That was solved yesterday, flc disabled peer to peer

Why at all did he has to disable that? again my last 2 parts of my internal IP is 148.11, I dont think he has the same..has he?

(net block) Are you using a firewall (especially zone alarm), set zone alarm to allow everything or disable other firewalls you have. Also
disable antivir scanners

Windows firewall. I kill close to all processes when I start FS including the antivirus (not recommended but I have an issue with that
antivirus program i use) . So I have a very clean or empty running system. I reduced the peer to peer refreshrate to 10Hz. Not sure if this
will do it. Will see.

(MP session not open) Sounds also like component blocking by your firewall.

Well I am behind a router with NAT/SUA. But I routed everything to that PC. It shouldnt block anything except the basics (Web, ftp etc)

Anyhow, all these problems, you might want to uninstall fsinn, remove it also from the registry!! and install again. But disable firewall and
antivir

Well the windows internal firewall I will not disable I am 24h on the net.. I dont see how a firewall should affect an installement.. And if so
they programmed that thing wrong. About the antivirus i can give it a try.

I think FSInn can not handle that there are FS9 and FSX on my system.
About that visual basic DLL . I selected that on install.

Dutch64 thanks for your answers. I am a little mad at FSInn and would rather trash it right now. So forgive if my answers are a little
contraproductive at the moment. I know you want to hekp me bring it to work. Thanks to you.

[Dutch64]

HB-100 wrote:

I use the joystick button to break, so it should not be a conflict with any keyboard assignement.
Useing the keyboard to break however leads to the same problem..

I use joystick for braking too but it still has a key assignment. Is it btw with every plane (maybe you stated before, sorry)

(Chatt) Happens sometimes but not that often usually as you describe

Happend EVERY time.

The cause for all this is some window taking the focus all the time. I once had it with the fsp mini report also removing focus from the chat window.
Main cause is usually the radar window. If nothing helps, opening and closing the chat window by the mini control panel of fsinn restores normal operation

When starting FS. The plane list he generates EVERY time I start. Sometimes even in the background ..presenting me a black screen
then, The 5 min wait is after that. Ok it might be less than 5 min but more than 1 or 2 just a signbificant time that is very anyoing.

Ok, just to clear things, first time fsinn starts it will go through all your planes and ai planes, in my case it's close to 3500 planes which may
take up to 10 minutes. The black screen is depending on what plane i have active at that moment. To avoid this i sometimes switch to windowed mode.
Next times fsinn starts, it will still go through your plane list but only to check for changes, this usually takes about 5-15 seconds.
If you reinstall fsinn it will go through your plane list again for those 10 minutes.

(FLC stick) That was solved yesterday, flc disabled peer to peer

Why at all did he has to disable that? again my last 2 parts of my internal IP is 148.11, I dont think he has the same..has he?

it's not a matter of ip addresses this time, peer to peer was the culprit. If IP address is the same the symptoms will be different, like the plane
seems to follow every move you make at some distance

Well the windows internal firewall I will not disable I am 24h on the net.. I dont see how a firewall should affect an installement.. And if so
they programmed that thing wrong. About the antivirus i can give it a try.

Only during flying online i disable firewall and antivir. You're behind a NAT router and also running antivir usually so don't worry to much about
being online without firewall for those few hours. I didn't mean during install disable the firewall (btw, many programs have troubles with this) but
just during your online sessions.

Dutch64 thanks for your answers. I am a little mad at FSInn and would rather trash it right now. So forgive if my answers are a little
contraproductive at the moment. I know you want to hekp me bring it to work. Thanks to you.

No prob, I just know fsinn needs some tuning after initial installment but after that it works quite well. Never had problems with it for a year now
except sometimes the chatwindow losing focus.

[Ceemosp]

it's not a matter of ip addresses this time, peer to peer was the culprit. If IP address is the same the symptoms will be different, like
the plane seems to follow every move you make at some distance

A-ha....as I suspected Just to clarify - with P2P that IS when the IP addies play a role (That's the way P2P works, direct communication
between different pc's ...and they are unfortunately distinguished by IP addresses )

To my black window overlaying my FS9 windows almost completely (independant WHICH FSInn service I start - chat, FSInn ctrl center....)
I can't really relate that to antialiasing - which has nothing to do with a window not being resizable or moveable, sorry. You may have
distortions, flicker, or a window NOT being shown but that is not hte case. I just get that annoying overlay that I can't get rid off when using
FSInn. I am more suspecting an internal call FSInn does that somehow stalls it. I'll try to solve that by starting windows in an independant
process.

With the keystrokes I can see more problems arising when my new hardware arrives. GoFlight modules are relying on keystrokes (via
FSUIPC) to access several functions that are not directly defined by the SDK's. Nevertheless, this can be solved by some tweaking - not
making it less of a nuissance.

Regards
Carsten

P.S: Their forum is very strange (to say the least). I posted my questions there, it was read more than 15 times until yesterday and now it's
gone