Landing Assistance

[Joeflyer]

Ahhh, now the Meister responds Glad we have a better understanding of the situation. Hopefully case solved for future
reference

[DSW334]

Meister,

Perhaps you can hit the Pause button, the next time you want to start your flare and look at your current height. You should be lower then
50ft above the ground. Also when you land, do you have a feeling that you sink onto the runway, or that you landing nose down.? With
Sinking I mean that you more or less feel that you are falling out of the sky instead of gently kissing the runway.

A flare is started based on the height above the ground. Not based on your position compared to the runway.

Another idea might be to use a utility like FSrecorder (freeware) and record your landings and then view them back from another
viewpoint. (outside the a/c)

[flyingdoherty]

I was one of those poor simpilot unable to land without a boomblowbadaboom etc on fspx.
I did some pratice (not to mention multiple touch&goes to make progress in the landing science), with different configurations/payloads etc.

Of course my skills are questionable (no doubt), but i noticed that whenever i use the default "perfect kavoc 29.92" meteo.... i have absolutely no problem kiss landing with fspx. Problems occurs only
with the "real meteo" set (and those days in Europe.....), and it's not necessary because of special hard/cross winds



Post Edited ( 01-06-09 16:48 )

[b1ackcr0w]

I got a Saitek yoke for Christmas, and It's opened my eyes to an often overlooked problem with landing sim planes. Even if you always
land the same craft with the same weight at the same field, it should still be slightly different every time because of the influence of wind!

A moderate, consistant, direct headwind makes it easy to land. But if it's gusty, off heading or inconsistant (more often than not), then
getting the feel for what the craft is doing is essential. This is particularly tough in a simulator, so you have to pay close attention to your
airspeed and decent rates. What I have found is that now I have a much greater range of throttle travel, I find it easier to understand how
small adjustments to throttle interact with the wind and other influences on my airspeed and decent rate.

This in turn was how I've found a handy hint for your approaches. My habit was to turn off the autothrottle at about 200 AGL, but was
overflaring and doing all sorts of things to compensate. Now, I turn off the Autothrottle much further back on Glide Slope, often as early as
between capturing localizer and top of final glideslope. This means by the time i'm down to decision height, I've got some feedback from
the throttle on what the conditions are like. If it's a nice day and I'm feeling confident, I'll disengage the AP early and make a peachy kiss
landing. If it's choppy, I'll leave the AP on right down to 100AGL, and let it sort out the condition changes until I'm squared away.

The other advantage I've found with this is, if you get an unexpected go around, you can get on the power early, and if you're really
organised, you might have even had time to set your autothrottle and heading to go around settings.

[Joeflyer]

Yep, I've got the Saitek yoke, rudder pedals and 2 throttle quads...took me very little time to get use to the set-up after using the X52 for a
couple of years. I tend to use the left rocker switch on the yoke ALOT while flying approaches...it's mapped to trim the airplane, so the
slower the airplane gets the more trim is necessary to keep from working the yoke so hard. A key to this is not having the sensitivity set
too high on the trim...mid way in the FS9 setting will do the trick.

[SkyAirWorld]

42kt crosswind, heavy rains, very icey... all this in a metro ...and and as a metro would have it... Weather Radar was U/S :grr:

Oh and Alone... so no one could hear my screams .... kidding...

[MEISTER046]

I did last night land without blowing my tires in my level D 767, have yet to try with the default 737. I'll try that tonight hopefully I'll have no
problems, I think i was starting my flare too soon, I did not wait until i was below fifty feet.


Thanks for the help everyone.


Jim

[KenG]

Jim,

If you are chaging aircraft then you are not building a good sight picture before moving on to the next airplane. I would suggest praticing
in one aircraft, mastering that aircraft then moving on to the next. IIRC there is a radar altimeter in the B737. Try having a friend act as the
copilot and call off your altitude per the radar altimeter thus like the 767 you have an audiable clue on how high your are flaring.

[ExtremeR]

I think that your problem is basically you are landing with Full Flaps (flaps 40) in a 737-800 at full landing weight. Flaps 40 negates a lot of the
lift that a flaps 30 configuration would give you, try again landing at that same speed with flaps 30 and lets see what happens.

[tommynatl]

I definately like the saitek better than my ch yoke, but have they fixed that phantom button issue ?

I also agree with the trim. I keep both rockers set for trim on all axis .

[Joeflyer]

tommynatl wrote:
I definately like the saitek better than my ch yoke, but have they fixed that phantom button issue ?

I also agree with the trim. I keep both rockers set for trim on all axis .

I don't know if Saitek has "fixed" the phantom button issue. I think they just left it up to the users
to figure it out on their own....like deleting all joystick assignments in normal and slew modes and
then assign the ones you prefer for each device. Have you checked the Saitek forum for updates?
I haven't been on there in a long time.