Another IDEA...Yes I'm very creative haha jk

[bomen168]

Dan, for all those who are asking about able to refuel on long flights, maybe that there can be a button in the fsp menu where you can clik
that says "REFUELING STOP" and then once you click it, you can enter the airport that you can refuel from. And then after you land there,
you can configure the payload if you want to drop off passengers or something and get more fuel? something like that?

[Air France]

I like that idea but not the one where you drop of some passengers because in that case just make 2 Flights

[Airliner]

I second that. Make it a simple technical stop - refuel only.

It should be simple enough - well, depending on how it's coded. It could be as simple as adding a checkbox for technical stop, then that
would enable an edit box in which you would put in the airport code of the stop.

This would, in effect, disable the check for arrival JUST for the airport that you enter in the box. If you land anywhere else, it would still
treat it as the wrong destination.

Another idea would be to add in a box for alternate airport, in case you have to divert. Then again, the pax don't care about that - they want
to go where they intended so maybe skip that.

On a side note, I'd like to see something added to FS9 or maybe (most likell) FSX - the ability for airports to set delay times and even
close during extreme weather conditions. In this case, an airport's ATC would purposely wait longer before issuing clearances and
space aircraft further apart. Also, if the weather warrants it, the airport could be closed. Maybe Radar Contact v5?

[burkino_026]

About the refuel stop I think that it should not be implemented. If you are looking to make a long haul flight with one stop in the middle you are
actually doing two separate flights. Usually on the callsign can be called let's say BAW1173A and BAW1173B or maybe the same flight number. But in FsP
would actually be two separate flights as there are passenger stopping in this destination stop as well as others boarding there for your final
destination. Also there is the thing that FsP sounds are programmed for only one climb, cruise and descent, not two in a flight. Finally having to
reload fuel and stuff would mean screwing FsP flight log numbers, actually it can only be done by positioning an aicraft over a fuel pump making it go
to full capacity, or maybe with an addon utility, or if you have PMDG 747 loading it with the loader. This will screw up FsP fuel load log and you
would get a strange and unreliable fuel report.

I say you should make two separate flights, the first one being from departure to fuel stop, then reload pax doing some hit and miss with the pricing
if you want same number of pax and refueling the plane. Loading the flight again and proceeding to final destination. This is the way it is meant to
be done.

There are no other ways other than doing a lot of works it needs to add the necessary features to FsP to be able to accept and allow for a refuel stop

About the alternate airport there should be a box next to destination to set it, so that If you divert you dont get a wrong destination penalty. But i
believe Dan has put cancel destination which i think (and i hope as i never tried it yet) that it will prevent the program to give you penalties if
you divert.

[bomen168]

Well, for me when I was thinking about the "DROP OFF PASSENGERS" thing, I was thinking about how Southwest Airlines has kind of
like a linked route FOR EXAMPLE: if you want to get from Oakland to New York or something, there would be like Houston and Midway in
between and people want to get off at those stops then yea that's what I meant by drop off passengers.

[burkino_026]

yes, but wouldnt they be two separate flights? A flight is when you take off and land at an airport. Then what airline says about a flight with a stop
it's just some way to cover the fact that they are two legs of a journey and this could make some passenger choose a direct flight! It's just
something airlines says, in the reality when you take off from New York and you land at Chicago after a 2 hrs flight at 35000 ft you just made a
flight, even if the final destination is Los Angeles. The second leg of the journey is another separate flight, the one from Chicago to Los Angeles.
It can be with same plane, same passengers, same fuel, same flight number (the one passengers see) same everything but it's a new flight, new squawk
code, new flight plan, new announcements, new flight actually! And FsP was designed with this in mind, not with a refuel in flight which is quite
unrealistic. If you want to just refuel do two separate flights, it's the way it's meant to be

[Ryanamur]

Oh, that discussion again.

Regulatory agencies consider a flight to block-to-block to allow for touch and gos and stop and gos.

What you are refering to is a misconception of a flight. If you fly from KJFK to KLAX and land in KATL for refulling and dropping/picking up
more pax, that's 2 flights. It's recorded like that by ATC, pilots, companies, the regulatory agencies, airport authorities, aircraft
documentation... and FSP!

Airlines might use the same flight number to simplify scheduling but it's still 2 flights.

Phil

[bomen168]

burkino_026 wrote:
It can be with same plane, same passengers, same fuel, same flight number (the one passengers see) same everything

What do you mean same passengers?? If it was same everything then why would they make a stop?

[burkino_026]

some times it happens. Let's say a B747-400 is due to depart from London to Sydney. It makes a stop in Hong Kong. The stop is for refuel only, nothing
else changes. Some of the passengers for that flight are booked on the other to Sydney as weel. That's it! There might be same passengers for both
EGLL-VHHH and VHHH-YSSY, but this doesnt mean they are the same flight, they are two different flight, with different squawks, identification, maybe
different crew as well

[bomen168]

burkino_026 wrote:

There might be same passengers for both
EGLL-VHHH and VHHH-YSSY, but this doesnt mean they are the same flight, they are two different flight, with different squawks,
identification, maybe
different crew as well

I know that, but what you're talking about here is international flights and they usually refuel. What about domestic flights like the plans
southwest use where passengers DO GET OFF? AND OTHERS COME IN? So the idea was for a more WIDERANGED use. I
mean, i was talking about how you could change passengers, i mean YOU DONT HAVE TO!! if the window comes up, just close it!!

AND FYI: usually a stop in international flights require passengers to remove to another flight because that is the leg that original plane was doing back and forth.



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[Airliner]

I think you guys are talking about two completely different animals. The Southwest model, which is a network model by the way, is exactly
what has been stated - each leg is it's own flight. Now, there are times when an aircraft will make a technical stop for refuel ONLY. There
will be no change in pax for this - only more fuel.

If we're talking about the Southwest thing using the same flight number, then again this is dealing with a combination of O & D pax,
connecting pax AND continuing pax. HOU-MDW and HOU-MHT will have a wide range of pax on them. Some will be O & D for each leg.
Most will be flying HOU-MDW to change planes to go somewhere else. Still some may be staying on for both legs, which would be listed
as the same flight number. Tickets may look like this:

HOUMDW 1425

HOUMHT 1425

HOUMDW 1425
MDWBUF 376

DSMMDW 3912
MDWMHT 1425

This is where the pax model gets crazy. For FsP, it's all point to point, so treat them as separate flights - just use the same flight number
for both legs.

The idea of a refueling stop is completely different. I think I heard of this happening at KBGR before, as some transatlantic flights may
stop there for gas. Then again, with the ranges of aircraft these days, expecially the B777-200LR, there shouldn't be much need for such
stops. Anyway...

[Full_Throttle0]

well now they have jets in the military that can refuel in flight but i don't think any airliners can do that, (too expensive).

[Usty]

Complex Airline flights:

I once flew (as pax) from schiphol (netherlands) to Rhodos (greese) via Kos. and nonstop back one week later..

in one flight 3 airports, no refueling (but could have..)

On Kos some pax got off and some got back on to return to amsterdam,

On Rhodos the same with the other pax and even some who flew from kos to Rhodos..

and how about the star aliance? and the KLM-Airfrance-North/West Airlines flights?
pax from multiple airlines in one aircraft from aliances to fly more efficiently with larger aircraft.

Wow. the sky is the limit :D :P

Regards
Rico (Usty)