Exceeding +4000ft/min descending + Alternating

[Wolf0]

Hi all.

I've been using FSPax for a long time and there's two problems I'd like to solve regarding my experience with it:

1) Is it possible to exceed the famous rate of 4000ft/min during a descent?
I realize that the pax fear increase to demonstrate that you are descending at a high rate... but that's not real at all for two reasons - the first,
pax respond to change in G's. They don't carry a VSI with them, so they are unable to distinguish between a 4000 or an 8000ft/min descent as long as
you change the rate gradually - and second - many times in real life pilots exceed 4000ft/min. It happens when ATC constrains the descent, so the
pilot reduces airspeed while maintaining flight level to later change airspeed for rate thus remaining in profile... and that maneuver often makes
commercial jets exceed 4000ft/min!

2) Is there a chance to alternate to a diversion field without being penalized for "not landing at the correct airport"?
I realize that in real life people do get unhappy if they don't land where they're supposed to. But FSPax treats a safety diversion (for weather
reasons, for instance) equally to a lunatic "let's land at that random field over there". Would be nice to have a feature where you add you alternate
field(s) during preflight so that if you do have to alternate, FSPax gives you a less severe penalty.

Thank you all in advance.

Pedro

[gbapache]

Please realize that this is a computer sim. that must live within numerical parameters. Landing at a different airport may be wise to us
pilots for a whole host of reasons, the only thing that the pissed off pax know is that somebody has to drive 100 miles to Paducha to pick
them up at the wrong airport. Hence, the passengers are unhappy.

[SoulFlight]

Hm, I am with you with the sink rate thing, anyone who has been on a real airplane knows that lfor example leveling at cruise altitude feels like a
descent at the inside, but its not, for the exact reason you mentioned. A penalty for too much G's is already existant, so the "dive of death" penalty
V-Speed should be increased to a "passengers feel that there is something wrong" level. lets say 7000 fpm.


When diverting dont forget to "cancel destination" in the fspx pulldown menu, this should give you a small "right decision" bonus."



Post Edited ( 12-13-11 02:24 )

[Doc3511]

there is a "cancel planned destination" feature in FSPAX, passengers will be mad but you WILL receive pilot points for choosing another airport, and
you dont really need a VSI to realize your guts are going up, 4000fpm descent is kinda violent, FSX ATC is pretty good and most of the times they
vector you correctly enough to make a normal descent of 1800fpm.

[SoulFlight]

Well I have to admit when listening to real ATC I hear the phrase "descend at 3000 fpm or greater" very often, but anyways, In FSX I rarely go faster
than -2500 fpm. Liuke Doc said, ATC usually gies you enough time and when I go faster its usually because of a destination change or because something
went wrong.

[Wreck1463]

My two cents worth... 4000 fpm is not "violent." Climb rates on takeoff can exceed this easily on any given day, so what's the difference in
descending from altitude at those rates? Nothing. As stated before, as long as you don't throw the yoke forward harshly (causing negative Gs) 4000
feet per minute is not a big deal at all. I agree that in most cases you don't need to descend that quickly, but there are cases where it becomes
necessary. Crossing traffic, altitude restrictions given too late, avoiding cloud decks, getting out of icing, among others are legitimate reasons for
descending this fast.

[Wolf0]

Ok.
So, regarding the 4000ft/min maximum rate of descent, is there any item on the configuration files that can be changed to allow for it?
Has any of you ever found a way to work around this, or do we have to wait for a new version of FSPax that has this treated differently?

Cheers

[gbapache]

The updated version of FSPX is tentatively scheduled for release on June 22, 2092.