Notes about the Concorde in FsPax

[Captain_Abeia]

Hello dear simmers. As many of you don't know, I'm an avid Concorde fan/SimPilot. I've logged well over 200 hours in the beast. I figured
that seeing is how the bird is a speed demon, I should share some valid infos on how to properly keep it under control below 10,000ft.

Firstly, it is not nessessary in any way to get over 250KIAS below 10k. This doesn't help acceleration to Mach 2.2 very much. If you use the
autothrottle, and set it to about 235-240KIAS, you'll do just fine. I know it has a high rotation speed, but once you're airborne you won't
really need all 95% N1 to keep it going. One thing you can do is simply turn off the afterburners. This helps save on fuel greatly during the
climb above 10k. I'm aware of the 400KIAS by 4,000ft rule, but I personally have never needed to do that. This bird gains speed rapidly,
even during climb.

Mind you, these are just my personal tricks that I use to keep my speed down. I'm currently saving up to get on in FsPax, and I'm looking
forward to the big purchase!

[jboweruk]

Nice to meet another fan of our dear lady of the skies. It's what I aspire too as well one day, A nice Concord painted in the colours of my
own airline, sweet.

I don't know how many people know this but when BA sent the Concord's out to various museums they all had to agree to keep her in tip-
top airworthy condition, even though they may never fly again I'd guess BA is stil fighting her corner as we speak. I hope and pray one day
at least 1 Concord will be allowed to fly airshows and special fly-by's again.

[Fritz Bayerlein]

AHH! Hello Concorde fans. :-D I am a Concorde fan myself. It's the only plane I fly now. I own a PSS Concorde.


I find flying at 250kts below 10000ft very bothersome. It significantly reduces your rate of climb. Occasionally ATC is kind enough to clear
me to exceed this and then I always begin my acceleration to 400kts at or before 4000ft.

By the way, when I bought the Concorde in FSPassengers, it cost me about $60,000,000 and it had about 3000 hours on it already. The
maintenance was good from the previous owner and after each flight I'm paying about $2500 in maintenance costs. See my post about
my first successful Concorde flight. :-D

[fruitfly]

jboweruk wrote:
even though they may never fly again I'd guess BA is stil fighting her corner as we speak. I hope and pray one day
at least 1 Concord will be allowed to fly airshows and special fly-by's again.

Me too, but I'm as I could find out, this doesn't seem likely:

"All the BA Concorde's are a very long way from being in flying condition. ...G-BOAE was another that has been talked about, but to be
honest, the people in Barbados don't seem to look after it very well, or at least didn't. It'd been left out in the elements, and also IIRC had
a temporary hanger collapse on it (or something similar).

The Air france concorde's are mostly the same but there's still one that is kept in taxiing condition (for the court case)The most likely
candidate would G-BOAF which is currently @ Filton & even then then it would cost a massive amount of money, figures in the £100+
million mark have been talked about.

The other big problem is that the spares have been sold @ auction or given to museums (unless there's some we don't know about )
The Type Certificate was withdrawn by Airbus as they didn't want to support Concorde in the form of engineering and spare parts. No
amount of money would have kept them in service without a TC.
This essentially made the Concorde fleet nothing but museum pieces as they would never fly commercially ever again. "

[Fritz Bayerlein]

One thing you can do is simply turn off the afterburners. This helps save on fuel greatly during the
climb above 10k. I'm aware of the 400KIAS by 4,000ft rule, but I personally have never needed to do that. This bird gains speed rapidly,
even during climb.

According to the flight manual and noise abatement procedures the reheat should be shut off after reaching 250kts on takeoff and should
not be engaged again until at FL260 and beginning your acceleration to M1.7, after reaching that speed the reheat should be turned off
again.

Anyone who's climbing with the afterburners on below 26000ft is keeping a lot of poor people awake down on the ground and is burning
a huge amount of fuel needlessly.

[PaulAH]

Don't forget Airbus still hold the Design Authority, so there's no chance of another manufacturer having a go at getting them back into the
air

The requirement on the museums to keep them in good condition is because Concorde is still BA's flagship, and it wouldn't reflect well
on BA to have the punters see a dirty rusting concorde just chucked somewhere in the corner of a building.

cheers
Paul

[Airtime]

You guys seen this one?

The C4-SST at http://www.fs2x.com (freeware)

AT

[Travis]

I use that in my company that isn't set in career mode. It's nice but beawre that the terrain following uses slew (in certain, all to often,
circumstances).

[Captain_Abeia]

It's nice but beawre that the terrain following uses slew (in certain, all to often,
circumstances).

What?

[Travis]

The addon mentioned by Airtime (the C4-SST) has a terrain following autopilot. Unfortunately it has a tendency to use slew mode (which can mess up an
FsP flight).

The plane has many custom gauges (XML I think, perhaps something else). The panel looks like a touchscreen. Check it out or not at your leisure. It
can fly up to ~m2.29 without getting the overspeed light (or was that m2.49...) at ~ FL650 and has a range of ~8000 nm. It's purely fictional of
course and is supposed to use two of the same type of engines used on the Concorde. At least, as far as the readme is concerned...

[Airtime]

Travis wrote:
The addon mentioned by Airtime (the C4-SST) has a terrain following autopilot. Unfortunately it has a tendency to use slew mode (which can mess up an
FsP flight).

The plane has many custom gauges (XML I think, perhaps something else). The panel looks like a touchscreen. Check it out or not at your leisure. It
can fly up to ~m2.29 without getting the overspeed light (or was that m2.49...) at ~ FL650 and has a range of ~8000 nm. It's purely fictional of
course and is supposed to use two of the same type of engines used on the Concorde. At least, as far as the readme is concerned...

Well, I did a test flight - KLAS-KJFK and was lined up for approach, hit APP and watched as the thing just flew right in to the ground. Don't know
about the slew thing though. That panel has everything but the kitchen sink (might have that too I just have not found it yet).

AT

[jboweruk]

The DVD I have of Concorde says they did turn off the Afterburners immediately after take off, and only got turned on again above a certain
altitude, then got turned off again a bit later, They are used to get her off the ground and again to get to Mach 1.5 I believe, after that they
are not needed anymore.

[Fritz Bayerlein]

The afterburners are used for takeoff and are turned off after reaching 250kts.

They are engaged again at FL260 until the aircraft has accelerated to M1.7, then they're off again for the duration of the flight.

[Travis]

Airtime wrote:

Travis wrote:
The addon mentioned by Airtime (the C4-SST) has a terrain following autopilot. Unfortunately it has a tendency to use slew mode (which can mess up an
FsP flight).

The plane has many custom gauges (XML I think, perhaps something else). The panel looks like a touchscreen. Check it out or not at your leisure. It
can fly up to ~m2.29 without getting the overspeed light (or was that m2.49...) at ~ FL650 and has a range of ~8000 nm. It's purely fictional of
course and is supposed to use two of the same type of engines used on the Concorde. At least, as far as the readme is concerned...

Well, I did a test flight - KLAS-KJFK and was lined up for approach, hit APP and watched as the thing just flew right in to the ground. Don't know
about the slew thing though. That panel has everything but the kitchen sink (might have that too I just have not found it yet).

AT

The approach auto isn't the terrain following one, click on the little TF above the engine readouts, set the alt above ground you want via the auto's
altitude selector and watch it slew (it will try to fly normally as well, but when there's a sharp decrease in alt AGL it will slew to correct the
problem.

[PaulAH]

Fritz Bayerlein wrote:
The afterburners are used for takeoff and are turned off after reaching 250kts.

They are engaged again at FL260 until the aircraft has accelerated to M1.7, then they're off again for the duration of the flight.

On for take off, and off at the power reduction/noise abatement time.

On at M094 and off at M170 or after 15 minutes whichever comes first.

cheers
Paul