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Author: Tracker801 2108 Posts Status: Living Legend  | Date 10-18-08 16:33 |
Erm, looks very much a Dennis Approach to me 
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Author: HB-100 1151 Posts Status: Living Legend | Date 10-18-08 18:33 |
uuhhh!
What means nearly.. it DID overshoot.
That gives penalty in FSP !
..good that nothing happend!
Hehe remembers me at my MD11 attaempt on tuesday where i forgot that we were on an airport with a too short rwy for a heavy.
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| Re: A veeeeery close one |
Author: Launchbury 582 Posts Status: Instructor Astronaut  | Date 10-20-08 21:03 |
fruitfly wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbINavHtiA&eurl
P.S. Where were the flaps!? Can you see them deployed?
You can clearly see them deployed. Take-off flaps for that aircraft is only 5 degrees. When the plane is coming towards you, you can
make out the leading edge flaps and slats, and when they do the close-up of the rotation you can see the trailing edge flaps quite clearly
at five degrees.
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Author: Launchbury 582 Posts Status: Instructor Astronaut | Date 10-21-08 21:07 |
No, you dummy, he shouldn't have used 10 or 15. Look at the report of the incident - the pitot tubes were clogged with insects giving
incorrect airspeed readings to the pilots. Now, they're on a short little 6,562 foot runway with no reliable way to judge their speed other
than to look out the window and think "holy screenshitters we're going pretty fast!" If I were flying that plane I would have done the same thing those
guys obviously did: Fly right to the end of the runway and rotate at the last second. Why? Well they can't tell if they're past V1 yet, can't tell if
they're at Vr yet, nothing left to do but pull back and trust to luck. Look at the body angle of the plane when they finally get airborne - very
shallow. If you watch a 737 being rotated by the numbers (at Vr) it comes unstuck with its nose pretty high in the air, which leads me to
believe that the plane in question was rotated well above Vr - proving that the pilots kept the nose on the tarmac until the last second - if
they rotated before Vr they would have just screwed themselves and if they tried to abort the takeoff after V1 they would have been just as
screwed.
Because they didn't abandon the takeoff at 80 knots (where ASIs should have been cross-checked by the PNF) leads me to believe they
either didn't do this or hit the swarm of insects AFTER 80 knots and around V1. I think the flying pilot made an excellent decision
(although probably should have rotated about 50 feet sooner - but I'm not going to knock him for what I consider to be a fine display of
airmanship) to fly how he did. Bad stuff happens real quick in aviation and will kill you very fast. His ability to analyze the problem and
think up a solution was commendable.
I swear except for Anastasios and Joeflyer and a few others the rest of you guys are just morons.
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Author: Launchbury 582 Posts Status: Instructor Astronaut | Date 10-21-08 23:17 |
It just drives me up the wall with people popping in retarded suppositions regarding stuff they have no clue about just because they can
go from Boston to Chicago without making their FSPax scream. Flying isn't a guessing game. The pilots didn't turn to each other as the end of the runway started to look a little close and say "Gee, Bob, I guess we should have used 15 degrees of flap on that takeoff! We're gonna die - see you in hell!" Everything is added and computed and reviewed even before the plane gets to the runway.
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Author: AeroJim 1087 Posts Status: Living Legend | Date 10-22-08 00:26 |
launchbury, i didn't comment on the video yet, am i still a moron???? 
Had a lil forum meltdown i see this week, ha ha.
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Author: Launchbury 582 Posts Status: Instructor Astronaut | Date 10-22-08 01:33 |
Yes I did. Sadly the internet (while hugely important in infomation transmission) is the international capitol of stupidity. While I might
suspect such rediculous conjecture about this takeoff in, say, a medical or automotive forum, its presence in this aviation forum is
disturbing. So, if you feel I might be unjustly defaming your mental prowess, I have a solution and we'll do it aviation style - with a
checklist!
After viewing the video, did you create any of the following conclusions?
1. The flaps were up!
2. The engines must have "turned off."
3. The runway was too short!
4. I bet the pilots were drunk!
5. I like Paris Hilton!
If you did, in fact, reach these horribly incorrect assumptions, you can safely consider yourself too stupid to continue typing and are free to
amputate your fingers or head or both. If you did NOT come to any of the above conclusion, you may for the time being consider
yourself "abnormal aviation procedure" competent, at least until I burn you the next time a strange YouTube video comes along. Until
then, however, carry on, etc.
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Author: Joeflyer 7803 Posts Status: Living Legend | Date 10-22-08 19:18 |
Alonso, I thought you had more brains than that She's about as dense as a brick. Of course I know you don't like her because of her
brains
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Author: detpilot Www 418 Posts Status: Confirmed Astronaut | Date 10-22-08 19:52 |
No, you dummy, he shouldn't have used 10 or 15. Look at the report of the incident - the pitot tubes were clogged with insects giving
incorrect airspeed readings to the pilots. Now, they're on a short little 6,562 foot runway with no reliable way to judge their speed other
than to look out the window and think "holy screenshitters we're going pretty fast!" If I were flying that plane I would have done the same thing those
guys obviously did: Fly right to the end of the runway and rotate at the last second. Why? Well they can't tell if they're past V1 yet, can't tell if
they're at Vr yet, nothing left to do but pull back and trust to luck. Look at the body angle of the plane when they finally get airborne - very
shallow. If you watch a 737 being rotated by the numbers (at Vr) it comes unstuck with its nose pretty high in the air, which leads me to
believe that the plane in question was rotated well above Vr - proving that the pilots kept the nose on the tarmac until the last second - if
they rotated before Vr they would have just screwed themselves and if they tried to abort the takeoff after V1 they would have been just as
screwed.
Because they didn't abandon the takeoff at 80 knots (where ASIs should have been cross-checked by the PNF) leads me to believe they
either didn't do this or hit the swarm of insects AFTER 80 knots and around V1. I think the flying pilot made an excellent decision
(although probably should have rotated about 50 feet sooner - but I'm not going to knock him for what I consider to be a fine display of
airmanship) to fly how he did. Bad stuff happens real quick in aviation and will kill you very fast. His ability to analyze the problem and
think up a solution was commendable.
I swear except for Anastasios and Joeflyer and a few others the rest of you guys are just morons.
Minus the uncalled for insults, I agree. People love to crucify pilots based on their "flightsim knowledge," without having a CLUE as to what really
happened. If the above story is true about this incident (bugs in the pitot tube), then bravo to the crew. If it's not, then I'll wait for the
official investigation to be completed before I judge anyone.
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Brandon Jones
Western Michigan University College of Aviation
Aviation Flight Sciences Major
FAA Certified Flight Instructor
Cirrus SR20
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Should have used 10 or 15
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