| Problem at KPHX |
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Author: itael 39 Posts Status: Student pilot | Date 10-11-05 09:14 |
Hi all,
I was flying from KDEN to KPHX with the PMDG 737 and when I landed the passengers started to fear the landing right after touchdown.
in the debrief it said that I rolled off the runway at like 150kts !!! , of course the landing was perfect.
So I said never mind , it was probably a small glitch and I flew the flight again.
Upon landing (on a different Runway) at KPHX I got the exact same result ... frightened passengers right after I touched down!! , what is
going on ? I never had such a problem before in any airport... the problem might be due to the SImflyers scenery I am using?
Is there a solution ?
Here is the detailed report:
Company: Atlantic Sun Airways
Aircraft: PMDG 737-800 Atlantic Sun Airways Virtual Co
Flight Date: October 10 2005
Departure: 13h02 (19h02 GMT) Arrival: 14h11 (21h11 GMT) From: KDEN - Denver Intl - Usa To: KPHX - Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl - Usa Nbr
of Passengers: 109
Report:
Flight Distance: 522 Nm
Landing Speed: 135.91 kt
Time Airborne: 01h51:14
Landing Touchdown: -151.54 ft/m (nice)
Flight Time (block): 02h11:19
Landing Pitch: 4.52°
Time On Ground: 00h20:22
Landing Weight: 132841 lbs
Average Speed: 281.51 kt
Total Fuel Used: 12170 lbs
Max. Altitude: FL 310
Fuel Not Used: 13722 lbs
Climb Time: 00h22:11
Climb Fuel Used: 5084 lbs
Cruise Time: 00h39:14
Cruise Fuel Used: 4137 lbs
Average Cruise Speed: 494.40 kt (M0.79)
Cruise fuel/hour: 6327 lbs (calc)
Descent Time: 00h49:49
Descent Fuel Used: 2948 lbs
Passenger Opinion: Very good flight, professionally done (95%)
-Are pleased to have landed right on schedule.
-Were highly entertained by the movie
-Were in a better mood because they had food.
-Were pleased by the music on ground. A very nice addition to their flying experience
-Were angry because you made what seemed to be a dangerous landing.
Overall Flight Result: Very poor
Pilot Bonus points: 230 points
You made a very nice landing. (+50)
You landed at the scheduled airport. (+30)
Precise arrival time at destination.(-00h01:20 difference) (+100)
Very bad weather conditions during take-off, but a safe landing and satisfied passengers. (+50)
Pilot's Penalty points: -690 points ($1,518 bill)
At arrival airport you rolled at 138 kt beyond the edge of the runway without any emergency. The landing gear sustained some damage
and our company has received a fine of $1,518. (-690)
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
Author: Jackal 172 Posts Status: Exceptional Pilot  | Date 10-11-05 09:35 |
according to this report, you landed SLOWER than what the error claims you went off the edge of the runway. that's weird!!! that would
suggest you sped up after touch down which makes no sense at all... perculiar. sorry, i don't know what's going on here. I'd say it most
definitley has to do with the third party scenery....
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
Author: JayKae Www 1572 Posts Status: Forum Moderator  | Date 10-11-05 09:36 |
Are you using default KPHX scenery or not, if not maybe have a look at your AFCAD and see if it is correct, FsP might "think" that there is
something there but actually it is not, or vice versa
 
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: Dutch64 4689 Posts Status: Forum Moderator | Date 10-11-05 09:40 |
Yes, it's a common problem which occurs with many addon scenery. I disabled it in the more_options.cfg.
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: Jackal 172 Posts Status: Exceptional Pilot | Date 10-11-05 09:45 |
is anybody else curious about the aircraft speeding up on touch down. it landed at 135kts, the roll error occured at 138 knots.
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: itael 39 Posts Status: Student pilot | Date 10-11-05 10:20 |
Thanks.
I will disable that option in the cfg file.
I do use the Simflyers Phoenix Sky Harbor add-on.
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: Dutch64 4689 Posts Status: Forum Moderator | Date 10-11-05 10:47 |
Jackal wrote:
is anybody else curious about the aircraft speeding up on touch down. it landed at 135kts, the roll error occured at 138 knots.
Yes, funny indeed. But if it's indeed a scenery error, maybe according to fs9 the plane landed before the runway, (instead of rolling
off) and so recorded a slightly higher speed than when it after a short while reached the tarmac... Sorry, this must be confusing, hope you
know what i mean...
 
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: olseric 794 Posts Status: Living Legend | Date 10-11-05 11:41 |
Double check to make sure you don't have duplicate AFCAD's. They'll conflict and could cause that as well.
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: eazy Www 1087 Posts Status: Living Legend | Date 10-11-05 12:35 |
Simflyer scenery is known to not properly configure the runway surface ( which should be "concrete" ). I think this could be fixed with
AFCAD2, not sure though, as I don't use any of their add-ons.
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: pagir 1583 Posts Status: Forum Moderator | Date 10-11-05 15:18 |
Eazy is right: Don't know why, but Simflyer doesn't declare correctly the runway surface in many airport...
So according to Fs9 and FsP you are not landing on a runway!!! For the landing speed, I don't really know, but maybe you were landing
with the wind in the back. The first speed in the report would be your speed in the air, and the second the ground speed. But I'm guessing
on this one...
Pagir
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: SaVas Www 1627 Posts Status: Living Legend | Date 10-11-05 18:39 |
pagir wrote:
Eazy is right: Don't know why, but Simflyer doesn't declare correctly the runway surface in many airport...
So according to Fs9 and FsP you are not landing on a runway!!! For the landing speed, I don't really know, but maybe you were landing
with the wind in the back. The first speed in the report would be your speed in the air, and the second the ground speed. But I'm guessing
on this one...
Pagir
They probably dont because until FsP came around you couldnt tell the difference, then with FsP it shows that the AFCAD is incorrect.
Kind of like before FsP you could have landed a 747 on a grass runway if you wanted to, or even do barrel rolls in it without consequence
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Author: Dutch64 4689 Posts Status: Forum Moderator | Date 10-11-05 22:27 |
SWAFO wrote:
One reason I'll use ONLY addon mesh, and NO addon scenery products! Too many damn problems with them!
True, there are some issues but man there are great addons for scenery which you will miss this way... There is this flytampa seattle for example,
it's really great, it makes it more real, so much more real. But again, it's about preferences of course For myself, i cannot imagine fs9 without
addon scenery. Tonight i bought Cloud9 EHAM... wow, still exploring it.......... (And this one had a known issue with FsP but had been solved within
days after the release)
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: SaVas Www 1627 Posts Status: Living Legend | Date 10-11-05 23:01 |
SWAFO wrote:
One reason I'll use ONLY addon mesh, and NO addon scenery products! Too many damn problems with them!
I can undestand that for the bigger airports, but the GA airports can be quite a bit of fun like the Georender sceneries
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: Clearjet Www 15 Posts Status: Young recruit | Date 10-12-05 01:03 |
I can verify that the Simflyers KPHX scenery does indeed have "issues"... I haven't had the landing issue, probably because I float far
enought down the runway during my "kisses" but when rolling for T/O on rwy 26 the Pax Satisfaction drops like a rock at 80kts... 
I ended up removing it since KPHX is my home airport. Waste of money but great eye candy.
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: srr37 8 Posts Status: Young recruit | Date 02-28-07 22:21 |
Has no one uploaded fixed afcads for simflyers yet? I tried their website and a few that were on avsiim - but still the same prob.
I just dnlded afcad2.21 but it hangs up when 'collecting airports'.......comon u scenery gurus!
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: vegasflyboy2004 771 Posts Status: Living Legend | Date 03-01-07 00:23 |
I can also confirm the Simflyers KPHX problem. I ended up going with a freeware offering because I was tired of my otherwise perfect flights from KLAS
being ruined because of this glitch. If you look carefully while you're landing or taxiing at the Simflyer's KPHX, you will notice the dirt effect on
your tired, as though you were on soil instead of concrete. It's a little outdated, but still not a bad rendition of KPHX:
http://www.avsim.com/hangar/utils/gwidup/
Cheers,
J Strange
TSgt USAF Active Duty
F-16 Avionics Specialist
Bitburg Germany
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: poden 1475 Posts Status: Living Legend | Date 03-01-07 16:03 |
I would definitely keep the "rolling off runway/taxiway" penalty disabled. You never know what kinds of problems the installed scenery has. Also,
for bush flying, its an absolute necessity to be able to freely taxi on open ground as needed.
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: DBE Www 4477 Posts Status: Forum Moderator | Date 03-01-07 17:14 |
poden wrote:
Also, for bush flying, its an absolute necessity to be able to freely taxi on open ground as needed.
Correct, but I believe that penalty is only relevant once you exceed 30 kts (which is rather too fast to taxi anyway).
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| Re: Problem at KPHX |
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Author: Danbo020759 Www 21 Posts Status: Young recruit | Date 03-02-07 15:45 |
I believe that the "138 kts" should actually read "138 m" or "138 ft." You can't roll "138 kts" beyond the
edge of the runway. Sounds like a minor typo in the code. This penalty sems to be more related to rolling beyond the edge of the runway
(too long a roll).
Just my $0.02.
Respectfully,
Daniel M Hill
Post Edited ( 03-02-07 15:45 )
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