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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: DanSteph      4290 Posts  Status: Forum Administrator    Date    09-21-05 00:01

eyefly wrote:
His answer was that the software causes him all kinds of troubles and has many defects. That young man feels that he should not have
to pay for a defective product and that until the bugs are worked out, it should be in the beta format and available for free.
Your turn. Sayo-nara.


FsP was downloaded 44'000 time yet... still there is some bug of course, but FsP is stable on the great majority of machines
I would not say that there is massive report of crash that are coming from fsp.

FS2004 don't need FsP to crash himself and the cause maybe mutliple, the words "have many defect" is at best
insulting for me as many user never had any crash with FsP. When you have so much user even a program like
notepad might cause problems for some users.

If your friend have so much "kind of trouble" with my "defective" program I would be really worried to be
the root cause, so my advice it that he should uninstall it and not use it anymore.

Else, if it still use it, seem he don't have so much problems finally and he is just one moron that try to justify his stealing.

P2P users and user of warez justify often their action by claiming a "rebel" attitude against this economical
world, what they don't see is that they simply give food to people that claim for more security and they simply
destroy the small company as they can't afford piracy as the big company do.

We might simply end in an "all Ms" world so much secure that even when someone cough it will be recorded
in a database and the $0.10 taxe for a coughing taken directly from his account.

If you want alternate solution simply don't kill the alternative.

Dan


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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: eyefly      3 Posts  Status: Young recruit Date    09-21-05 07:59

Well, sorry to say but vollmey doesn't understand much English.

All others who can read, please follow these threads if you are interested.

http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=5456&t=5456
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=5228&t=5086
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=5016&t=1824
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=4&i=2512&t=2512
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=4&i=2512&t=2512
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=3404&t=3362
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=1341&t=1225
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=758&t=758
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=1&i=2333&t=2333

All those are posts relating to crashing to desktop. So, this issue is a common thing with this software.

Now, Dan and the rest of the gang, I never said that that fellow is my friend. I never implied he is my buddy. You guys did because you want to
understand what you want to understand. I ran into him in another forum and I reprimanded him.
Of course, you may not know what that means since you didn't recognize it in my post.

Dan, you said:

"Else, if it still use it, seem he don't have so much problems finally and he is just one moron that try to justify his stealing."

I agree with you 100%. He is a moron justifying his stealing. And he is not my friend.

Now folks, Passenger57 said the following right above this thread:
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I'm afraid to say that the hardcore cracked-stuff people won't care at all about these statements, in fact, regarding some high-priced so-called
"quality" add-ons released in the last years with desastrous after-effects (performance, customer support, bugs...) Though it might get me flamed,
I cannot even really blame them from my whole heart since MOST addons wont come with a demo/eval version, and more than a few used paying
customers as alpha- or beta-testers.

No, I do NOT agree with using cracked stuff for so-called "evaluation", though I understand it a bit, flightsimming is getting more and more
expensive and 30 bucks spent on crap are just 30 bucks lost. Though I can and will not agree, as long as satisfied users afterwards BUY that
original, I can and will not blame them either.
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None of you guys jumped on him for supporting the crackers, but you jumped all over me for a simple statement. Did you read everything I said? Where
were you when I posted ? Daahhhhhh.....

The unfortunate thing is that you folks tried to pick a fight rather than trying to help. Not one of you asked one question concerning my setup or
what may have contributed to the problem.

Question: what is the average maturity of this group? 10? It sure looks like it.

Thank you for understanding. I knew you would.


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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: SWAFO  Www     3814 Posts  Status: Living Legend    Date    09-21-05 08:02



Question: what is the average maturity of this group? 10? It sure looks like it.



Nope, we're all 8... good guess though ;)

~Brad [WARNING]This guy pretended to be a real Southwest Airline captain and retired us air force pilot when in fact he is not. Take all his advice with caution. Read here: http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=1&i=17056&t=17056
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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: SaVas  Www     1627 Posts  Status: Living Legend    Date    09-21-05 14:56

I for one did not jump on you, just expressed my feelings about idiots that used cracked versions of software. I really wish we could throw
them in jail until they are old and wrinkled, taking away all their freedoms leaving only food (basics) and water, no TV, no cable, nothing
and for those that run P2P networks with the majority of illegitimate files, the firing squad, or stoning

Now, Dan and the rest of the gang, I never said that that fellow is my friend. I never implied he is my buddy. You guys did because you
want to
understand what you want to understand. I ran into him in another forum and I reprimanded him.
Of course, you may not know what that means since you didn't recognize it in my post.


Well, what forum is this? I would like to check it out read for myself this persons 'wisdom' on why he uses cracked software.

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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: Jetflyer      978 Posts  Status: Living Legend    Date    09-21-05 15:40

[edit by moderator] removed offensive writting, please argu instead of wrtitting bad language
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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: vollmey  Www     228 Posts  Status: Ace Pilot    Date    09-21-05 15:51

Well, sorry to say but vollmey doesn't understand much English.


I've seen that it happens eyefly, but those represent maybe 2-5% of all the customers. That being said your right 2-5% FSP customers
crashing to the desktop might be to much, I get that. That still gives you no right to hack the program.

Tell me something you say that we attacked you instead of giving you some help, when did you ask for help????? You have 2 total
posts. The only thing in the first post I find that even comes close to asking for help is "So, in my quest to get this resolved, I ran
across a hacker who downloaded a hacked version of FsP and since I had read this thread before, I asked
him why he chose to use a hacked version which can cause him lots of problems and could carry undetected viruses.
" And the
second is defending your so called postion.

Where is the post saying "I need some help, I have the demo version and it keeps crashing to the desktop. This is what I have on my
system and system specs, any help would be greatly appreciated" Where is that post Eyefly????????
.

Dave Vollmer



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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: eyefly      3 Posts  Status: Young recruit Date    09-21-05 16:31

Well guys,

I think I'll disregard the immature ones and wait for the CEO to reply. And I think that he will reply in an objective way and not as immature as what
I've heard so far since he knows that bad publicity can sink the best of enterprises. With only 44,000 downloads, a big portion of those in demos, he
needs all the help he can get. The immature kids posting 4 letter responses in this forum are not helping him at all. Bad for publicity.

Regards


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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: vollmey  Www     228 Posts  Status: Ace Pilot    Date    09-21-05 16:46

He has replied.

Dave Vollmer



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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: DanSteph      4290 Posts  Status: Forum Administrator    Date    09-22-05 18:52

eyefly wrote:
Well, sorry to say but vollmey doesn't understand much English.

All others who can read, please follow these threads if you are interested.

http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=5456&t=5456
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=5228&t=5086
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=5016&t=1824
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=4&i=2512&t=2512
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=4&i=2512&t=2512
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=3404&t=3362
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=1341&t=1225
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=758&t=758
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/read.php?f=1&i=2333&t=2333
All those are posts relating to crashing to desktop. So, this issue is a common thing with this software.


mmhhh sorry I think that the sentence "this issue is a common thing with this software" is really wrong.
you show 9 thread on wich 3-4 are solved already by latest version (kneeboard for example) some issue
also may come simply from scenery or others add-ons. Don't get me wrong I don't say that FsP can never
crash Fs2004 but I know my code, I heard the feedback and it seem it's a rare issue.

Even you would show 150 thread and we assume there was only 20'000 download instead of 44'000
that would be only 0.75% rate.... That doesn't sound as a "common" issue and make it very fdifficult to track
as a 0.75% rate would mainly mean that the root cause is not in FsP but somehwere else.

Again Fs2004 CTD are common with a lot of add-ons around.

Another wrong statement is that "I give up", I never give up and always try my best to solve problems
and satisfy the users, the latest version include more debuging information to help me track down CTD problem.
My main thought yet from my experience is that FsP DLL while it take place in memory may relocate some other DLL
( a normal process) and as some others dll may be badly coded (absolute adressing) they make Fs2004 crash.
I don't use dynamicall memory allocation at all so when the main loop run you get all the code executed 10 time
per seconds... why suddenly it CTD as nothing change in FsP code ? hard to track..

Anyway one may consider that some problem simply can't be solved because the problem may be
in the installation, in the PC, in the drivers etc etc... again even notepad can CTD on some machines.

One may also consider that debuging and OS, FS2004 and FSP (as the problem might come from any of the three)
while reading only 4 lines in a post may really be a difficult task. Some people often assume that they only need
to post that there is a problem and that's my task to dig millions line of code to find it without any informations.

About being offensive I'm sorry if you took it like that I don't think my post was offensive against you appart calling him "your friend"
(wich is not a crim nor an insult only a false assuming ?)
About other's writting everyone is responsible of his writting I don't see the link with the FsP sales,
Anyway the forum here are mostly friendly and the moderation is nice.

You may consider anyway that some of your writting where not really friendly to me (dev give up, common issue etc etc)
and last you may simply open a post with your problem giving as much information as you can (log.txt, system
when it happen etc etc) that would help a lot.

Thanks for reading ;)

Dan


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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: supersonic9910      19 Posts  Status: Young recruit Date    11-08-05 10:31

OK

I just wanted to say that X-mas is coming and for a present for me FsP and for Dan 35 bucks


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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: protoplaser      16 Posts  Status: Young recruit Date    11-18-05 08:24

THANKS , I am one with limited funds , but i am saving up to buy the full version cause i hate flying from san fransico but till then i guess i
will have to. it has made my flight sim great THANKS, DAN...
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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: sucuklu_bazlama      5 Posts  Status: Young recruit Date    11-21-05 22:08

Hi everyone,

First of all hello to you.This is a player from Turkey and after reading the top text in this forum I wanted to add something that none can
see.

Before starting to write my opinions here please know me that I am the person who cares some values and considers some important
things likewise "rights",trade rights.Also,I appreciate Dan and each person who worked to create this uniqe programme,FsPassengers.

Dear SaVas,you say "consider developer's rights" but I dont think that the seller "considers customers".I have been student,moreover,I
have very less income.As soon as I saw the FsPassengers,I looked at the price of this programme and I seemed to me little
expensive.Maybe for someone here,it was and it is very very less,but I have 90$ income and the game costs 45$.Vell,I installed the demo
version,and I saw that for this simple programme,the price of the FsPassenger is too high.

Dear Dan,I dont know to how many people you already sold this programme,veybe hundres,maybe millons.But,if you could sent price to
10$ or 15$,you would have been able to added another millons to that current millions man.But you didnt consider this and as me
someone tried to find some serial that are works.Unfortunatelly,I tried to hack the programme and it took my 20 mins,and this is very pity
because I ran over your rights.Moreover,I found one serial over net which is working without any problem.

Consequently,I wont publish this small cracking file and that serial with user name over peer to peer programmes but when you
decrease the costs of the programme,I will buy FsPassengers even if I became bored from it.I will be waiting the sales...

Regards
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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: SaVas  Www     1627 Posts  Status: Living Legend    Date    11-21-05 22:21

sucuklu_bazlama wrote:
Hi everyone,

First of all hello to you.This is a player from Turkey and after reading the top text in this forum I wanted to add something that none can
see.

Before starting to write my opinions here please know me that I am the person who cares some values and considers some important
things likewise "rights",trade rights.Also,I appreciate Dan and each person who worked to create this uniqe
programme,FsPassengers.

Dear SaVas,you say "consider developer's rights" but I dont think that the seller "considers customers".I have
been student,moreover,I
have very less income.As soon as I saw the FsPassengers,I looked at the price of this programme and I seemed to me little
expensive.Maybe for someone here,it was and it is very very less,but I have 90$ income and the game costs 45$.Vell,I installed the demo
version,and I saw that for this simple programme,the price of the FsPassenger is too high.

Dear Dan,I dont know to how many people you already sold this programme,veybe hundres,maybe millons.But,if you could sent price to
10$ or 15$,you would have been able to added another millons to that current millions man.But you didnt consider this and as me
someone tried to find some serial that are works.Unfortunatelly,I tried to hack the programme and it took my 20 mins,and this is very pity
because I ran over your rights.Moreover,I found one serial over net which is working without any problem.

Consequently,I wont publish this small cracking file and that serial with user name over peer to peer programmes but when you
decrease the costs of the programme,I will buy FsPassengers even if I became bored from it.I will be waiting the sales...

Regards


And my retort is if you cannot afford it then dont buy it.

Because I cannot afford a Ferrari, doesnt mean I am going to go out and steal one because I like them and think I should be able to have
one too.

If I dont have the money for art paints, Im not going to go into an art supply store and steal the paint because I need it, or want it.

Not being able to afford it is NO excuse for stealing NONE. NADA.

Its because of the mentality that if one can find it on the internet somewhere free, then there is no need to buy it, that takes money from
someone that deserves it for hundreds if not thousands of hours programming that they invested.

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I hate 2D Panels - VC is the ONLY way to fly!

Air Spruce and Keezaire - Rank: Both C23


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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: Drew      5525 Posts  Status: Living Legend    Date    11-21-05 22:27

also just to add, by posting a message on here, Dan now proberly knows your ip address, can trace your isp, and then onto your home
address etc, and you have just admitted to theft :)

have a nice day

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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: sucuklu_bazlama      5 Posts  Status: Young recruit Date    11-21-05 22:29


And my retort is if you cannot afford it then dont buy it.

Because I cannot afford a Ferrari, doesnt mean I am going to go out and steal one because I like them and think I should be able to have
one too.

If I dont have the money for art paints, Im not going to go into an art supply store and steal the paint because I need it, or want it.

Not being able to afford it is NO excuse for stealing NONE. NADA.

Its because of the mentality that if one can find it on the internet somewhere free, then there is no need to buy it, that takes money from
someone that deserves it for hundreds if not thousands of hours programming that they invested.

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Dear SaVa,

Also you dont sell Ferrari too,or any program that includes very huge database and very uniqe codes.To add,I cracked it by my hands and
now I say that when sales start,I will buy.I didnt steal your programme;stealing is getting something from someone without his or her
permission then selling it to someone.But i didnt share your cracked programme with someone and I wont do it.

But when it comes to suitable price level I will but it;unfortunatelly here is a marketing mistake.As you see,you couldnt market your
product to me even if it isnt a Ferrari man.
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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: JayKae  Www     1574 Posts  Status: Forum Moderator    Date    11-21-05 22:29

sucuklu_bazlama three words for you .... part time job, that is what I did in Uni and so many other with me as well. Save up for it, put your
small change aside until you have the money. There is NO excuse for piracy.





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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: Drew      5525 Posts  Status: Living Legend    Date    11-21-05 22:29

sucuklu_bazlama wrote:
and I saw that for this simple programme,the price of the FsPassenger is too high.

Regards


:lol::lol::lol: simple

sorry but that is very funny :lol::lol:

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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: sucuklu_bazlama      5 Posts  Status: Young recruit Date    11-21-05 22:32

Drew wrote:
sucuklu_bazlama wrote:
and I saw that for this simple programme,the price of the FsPassenger is too high.

Regards


:lol::lol::lol: simple

sorry but that is very funny :lol::lol:



Then enjoy :-)))
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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: Drew      5525 Posts  Status: Living Legend    Date    11-21-05 22:33

sucuklu_bazlama wrote:
;stealing is getting something from someone without his or her
permission then selling it to someone..


maybe stealing is different in your country



steal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stl)
v. stole, (stl) sto·len, (stln) steal·ing, steals
v. tr.
To take (the property of another) without right or permission.


the author (Dan) has NOT given you permission to the FULL product, only the demo, you inturn, have stolen it

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Re: For those that want FSP from a cracked or file sharing website...
Author: sucuklu_bazlama      5 Posts  Status: Young recruit Date    11-21-05 22:36

Drew wrote:
sucuklu_bazlama wrote:
;stealing is getting something from someone without his or her
permission then selling it to someone..


maybe stealing is different in your country



steal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stl)
v. stole, (stl) sto·len, (stln) steal·ing, steals
v. tr.
To take (the property of another) without right or permission.


the author (Dan) has NOT given you permission to the FULL product, only the demo, you inturn, have stolen it



Okay guys :-) let me go.I only forwarded my opinions and what did I do.So,next time you can think little before seelling something.The
best product is the thing that can be bought by everyone.
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