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can landing damage be adjusted?? - okctimbo - 23-05-2011
i understand fsp landing tolerances are much lower than normal flight mode,is there a easy way to adjust these settings ?
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - Joeflyer - 23-05-2011
I highly doubt it. Question is, why would you want to adjust this anyway?
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - okctimbo - 23-05-2011
just seems like even a smooth landing causes gear damage,im sure it is also a lack of pilot skills,lol
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - Joeflyer - 23-05-2011
Gear damage or blown tires? There's a big difference. The blown tires issue has been problematic for quite a few people, but it's interesting to know
what your average touchdown rate is. If it's the tires blowing out, I can say that I've had it happen only twice in a total of 60 FsPX flights.
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - drgullen - 24-05-2011
I'd have to agree with Joeflyer. I have also had landing gear repairs and blown tires, but rightfully so, because it was due to a hard landing on my
part and not due to FSP being too critical.
I think this is more the case that you need to keep practicing your landing skills and not make FSP adjustments to accommodate. As Joe says, check
your average touchdown rate in your post-flight report. I've had plenty that are in the -300ft/min or less range that results in a perfect score and
no landing gear or tire damage.
Just keep practicing and your repair costs will soon go way down!
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - Billy Bob - 19-07-2011
It seems to me that tires blowing are an issue for many people. I keep hearing about a patch to adjust this setting. Any word on when that's going to
happen?
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - Akatala - 21-07-2011
I would also like to know the answer to this as I would love to purchase the full FSPassengers with my next check but will not do so unless
there is a fix for the tire problem. I fly the Vistaliner 727 which is extremely difficult to get a soft landing out of when I am stuck using the
keyboard as my throttle control.
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - marianoberna - 21-07-2011
Pratice, pratice and more pratice. Once done, pratice a bit more. Then you'll be ready to start learning
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - Joeflyer - 21-07-2011
No, there isn't any word from Dan on whether or not he is even working on a patch for FsPX...in particular a patch that could disable blowing tires.
Not trying to sound sarcastic here, but when Dan decides to work on a patch, he will announce it on the forums. I do know that he started a patch for
the FS9 version but no progress report on that one has been made either.
I think I've made 80 + flights with FsPX and using various types of aircraft. I have had only 2 blown tires but they occurred within the first few
flights. Have not had another one. But, I am still using Win XP 32 bit...until my new Win 7 rig comes in next week. Then I will see if I get some of
the same issues others have experienced.
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - marianoberna - 21-07-2011
Personally I never had a blown tire I use FSX Deluxe Sp2 + Aceleration + FSPX
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - gbapache - 22-07-2011
Well--------aren't you special?
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - Akatala - 22-07-2011
I assume you're using auto-land features to assist you down the glide-slope then? The planes I fly make me do the landing entirely by hand.
Practice helps, but it doesn't always solve the problem. Additionally, this IS still suppose to me just a GAME where people are suppose to
have FUN. It's not fun losing 5 flights in a row to a simple tire blowing out.
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - marianoberna - 22-07-2011
No... no autoland! I use autopilot the less posible, it takes the fun out of flying the plane. Also the bigger airplane I fly (or the most complex) is
the connie.. I love hand-flyer propliners.. and never had a blown tire... with enough pratice you can get any plane to make greaser landings
Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - drgullen - 23-07-2011
Akatala,
What is your decent rate at touchdown time? I am asking this because when I first started flying with FS, I also had a lot of tire and gear problems
when it came to landing. In some occasions, I was landing so hard that some portion of the landing gear would disappear on touchdown on some planes.
In my case, I was simply landing with too steep a decent rate and basically slamming the plane into the ground.
My solution was to change the default AP VS which for most planes is 1800 ft/min to 700 ft/min. For every landing, I fly using the keyboard and make
sure that I am 1500 feet above the runway with about 8 nm to go. I then begin reducing my AP ALT by 200' every nm so that I'm about 200' above the
runway with about 1 nm to go. This, of course, is all slightly variable depending on whether or not the genius scenery designers at Microsoft have
placed an office building or large tree at the end of the runway! Anyway, from there, with about 1/2 nm to go, I descend to 100' above the runway,
turn off SPD from the AP, turn off autothrottle if applicable and then, once my nose is just about at the beginning of the runway, I reduce to 0'
above the runway and just prior to touchdown, I hit F1 to cut the throttle. I haven't mentioned flaps, but of course, I've deployed full flaps as
well. I also reduce my speed at the beginning of this procedure to about 10 kts above whatever the full flaps minimum is for whatever plane I am
flying. If my load is light, sometimes it is only 5 kts above min.
The result is that I consistently land with an average descent rate of about -225 ft/min, which FSP labels as "nice" and which does no damage to
either the tires or the gear.
If you are landing with that little of a descent rate and your tires are still blowing out, then it's a problem with the plane itself and not FSP.
Try using a different 727 if that is what you like to fly. I've ditched several planes over the years simply because their contact points were too
sensitive and my gear would collapse (or tires blow out) regardless of how gently I landed and this was before I starting using FSP.
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Re: can landing damage be adjusted?? - drgullen - 23-07-2011
Here's an example using the above method. I actually had to put her down a little quicker than normal because I slightly misjudged the wind and
the runway came up on me quicker than I'd expected. I landed at more than 400 feet/min, which caused the passengers to get nervous for a bit. My
satisfaction dropped to 72% temporarily, but when I stopped and exited the runway, it returned back to the upper 90% range.
Even descending at 427 feet/min, I still didn't blow out tires or damage the gear...
Flight EJ028 flight report log Date July 23 2011
Flight ID: EJ028
Pilot: John Dekker
Company: WTC2
Aircraft: WoA_AIA_B737_W_ENJ-Enerjet_C-GBEJ
Flight Date: July 23 2011
Departure: 10h49 (16h50 GMT)
Arrival: 12h22 (19h22 GMT)
From: CYOD - Cold Lake - Canada
To: CYXY - Whitehorse Intl - Canada
Nbr of Passengers: 138
Report:
Flight Distance: 876 Nm Landing Speed: 127.91 kt
Time Airborne: 02h14:47 Landing Touchdown: -426.92 ft/m
Flight Time (block): 02h24:56 Landing Pitch: 3.45°
Time On Ground: 00h10:45 Landing Weight: 138536 lbs
Average Speed: 390.15 kt Total Fuel Used: 11202 lbs
Max. Altitude: FL 350 Fuel Not Used: 5004 lbs
Climb Time: 00h17:45 Climb Fuel Used: 2714 lbs
Cruise Time: 01h33:16 Cruise Fuel Used: 7397 lbs
Average Cruise Speed: 499.66 kt (M0.82) Cruise fuel/hour: 4758 lbs (calc)
Descent Time: 00h23:46 Descent Fuel Used: 1090 lbs
Passenger Opinion: Exceptional flight (100%)
-Are pleased to have landed right on schedule.
-Were highly entertained by the movie.
-Were cheerful because of the drinks served .
-Were in a better mood because they had food.
-Were pleased by the music on ground. A very nice addition to their flying experience.
Financial Report:
Ticket Income: +$76,598 (876 Nm)
Cargo Income: +$78,938 (35714 lbs)
Services Income: +$2,076 (0 sandwich 1 hot food 2 drink)
Services Cost: -$1,565 (80% quality)
Fuel Cost: -$6,166 (11202 lbs Jet-A1)
Airport Taxes: -$201 (Large Aircraft)
Insurance Costs: -$6,719 (4.32% rate)
Total Real Income: $142,961
Total Sim Income: $7,148,050 (real x50)
Company Reputation:
Considering that the flight was perfect the ticket price good, the service price good and the service quality perfect, passengers on this flight think
that your company's reputation should be 100%
Your company reputation is now: 94% (+0.53 increase)
Overall Flight Result: Perfect
Pilot Bonus points: 442 points
Perfect Flight, no problems and very satisfied passengers. (+150)
You landed at the scheduled airport. (+30)
Precise arrival time at destination.(00h05:04 difference) (+100)
Long flight (02h14) without using time acceleration, without any problems and with satisfied passengers. (+112)
Very bad weather conditions during take-off, but a safe landing and satisfied passengers. (+50)
Post Edited ( 07-24-11 08:07 )