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FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - FreedomFlyer - 25-08-2005
Hello virtual pilots and admins of FSPassengers,
since i bought this program, i think that tool is an new way for the flight simulator.
I know all of them spend lot of works, and many of them are quiet pleased of FSPassengers and its real
simulated conditions.
But all of that nice features, FSPassengers has an few mistakes of an real pilots live
I think the part of giving food,drink ect. is a work of the steward/stewardess, and not a job of an pilot on aircraft :D
But also if anyone like it, ok.
But it would be great if you can updated the failures!!
1. In real, no failures happens if you are open the door in the air!!! Because the doors are security looked. And
so "as real it gets"
this failure can be disabled for the future updates of FSPS..my tought.
I have this information from an real pilot, and hopes you see it also than me.
Otherwise its an great tool in a right way for the future of virtual flying with FlightSimulator.
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - Er!k - 25-08-2005
Hi FreedomFlyer!
I am not aware of a system which locks the doors securely. I have flown on the B757-200 and Airbus A320 and they can both be opened in flight (in theory). In practice, I do not think you will ever be able to open a door because of the pressure and the construction of the door.
Of course a door has to be armed before take-off which will trigger the slide in case an armed door is opened.
Post Edited ( 08-25-05 15:10 )
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - firebug - 25-08-2005
I have seen doors opening by themselves in flight due to technical failures (watch tv shows like Mayday mayday).. and a lot of failures
happened
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - Er!k - 25-08-2005
Quote:firebug wrote:
I have seen doors opening by themselves in flight due to technical failures (watch tv shows like Mayday mayday).. and a lot of failures
happened
I only think the Overwing emergency exits can be opened, since these are the only doors which open to the inside
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - deejayc - 25-08-2005
Brad should be able to help with this, but as far as I am aware, at least on a B732 and B737 you have different types of door.
Before take-off the crew 'arm' the doors, this means if the door is opened whilst 'armed' the evacutation slide will automatically deploy. Then there
are the 'overwing' exits which requires the opener to 'snap' the door out and then haul it out onto the wing - at least on the B732. This is why some
airlines really don't like children or the elderly sitting in these seats next to the overwing exits.
If you ask some members of cabin crew, they should be able to give far more information on this.
As far as opening the doors at FL, I'm not entirely sure this is possible? Surely with the doors opening outward (which they all do), the outside
pressure holds the door in - hence why they are constructed like this? Otherwise, these doors would be a HUGE security risk, as all it would take is
a naive child to turn the handle over once and away goes the aircraft?
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - scandahl - 25-08-2005
IMHO as a failure it's realistic. Doors have opened in midflight before, and creates all kinds of problems. Did'nt an australien 747 loose a cargo
door a few years ago, and PAX got sucked out of the cabin? However, I can't imagine a pilot would accidently open the door. I think Brad can confirme
that the crew usually knows their way around the aircraft, and don't get the doors mixed up. "Woow, I thought this was the bath room!"
Regards,
David
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - pagir - 25-08-2005
Quote:FreedomFlyer wrote:
Hello virtual pilots and admins of FSPassengers,
[...]
1. In real, no failures happens if you are open the door in the air!!! Because the doors are security looked. And so "as real it
gets"
this failure can be disabled for the future updates of FSPS..my tought.
I have this information from an real pilot, and hopes you see it also than me.
Otherwise its an great tool in a right way for the future of virtual flying with FlightSimulator.
You'll be happy to learn that you can already disable this penalty by editing the "more_option" file of the config folder of FsPassengers
folder
So this is clearly not a "mistake"... it's an option
Maybe you should look at the manuals and dos. You'll discover how you can customize Fsp!
Pagir
Post Edited ( 08-25-05 15:46 )
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - DanSteph - 25-08-2005
Well...
you mean FsP have to much feature ?
in real usually door are locked at least ON JET but several crash were due by bad manipulation
of door locking EVEN ON JET. A DC10 crashed several years ago due to this.
Anyway you CAN open a door in Fs9,
so if you're enough .. (how to say?) **not attentive** to open one I don't see why FsP
should let you fly with a door open !??
Or blame Ms for allowing you to open a door.
Dan
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - jboweruk - 25-08-2005
Quote:scandahl wrote:
IMHO as a failure it's realistic. Doors have opened in midflight before, and creates all kinds of problems. Did'nt an australien 747 loose a
cargo
door a few years ago, and PAX got sucked out of the cabin? However, I can't imagine a pilot would accidently open the door. I think Brad
can confirme
that the crew usually knows their way around the aircraft, and don't get the doors mixed up. "Woow, I thought this was the bath room!
"
Regards,
David
I think that should be "Whoa, I thought this was the bathroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..........."
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - pegase - 25-08-2005
On several airplane, the passengers can easily reach the doors. So hopefully, opening them is not as easy than pressing Shift+E.
I cannot tell, as I don't want to kill tenth or hundreed people including myself or (if it is secured) spend days in a police station answering to
stupid questions... I never tried
I think it is nice to have this feature as it is in FsPassengers. Even if this detail is not by itself realistic, it keep us in the mind status "take
care about what we are doing", which is realistic.
Now, if the doors are secured, it is off course because someone dit it and the, think about it.. We can do the same before starting, deactivate the
Shift+e in the option/keyboard assignment.
And reactivate it when parked at destination to free our passengers
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - Captain Binkles - 25-08-2005
I think you also have to consider the plane.
Every person here has talked about airliners, and not even thought about the smaller planes.
Cessnas - they can be opened, and so can a lot of other planes
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - IanP - 25-08-2005
If you look at most airliner doors, the way they work, they actually come into the aircraft and then go out through the hole - you push them closed,
not pull them, from inside. This means that when the cabin is pressurised to a higher pressure than the air outside, they are literally pushed and
sucked closed. You can't move them if you tried, whether the locks are in place or not. Obviously this isn't the same on all aircraft, but every door
I've watched being closed has operated like that.
The same would not apply if you either depressurised the cabin or for cargo doors, which simply open outwards. I know of several occasions where
incorrectly closed cargo doors have opened causing major airframe damage too. I think it happened to a B747 as well, but the crew managed to get it
down, despite losing half of the skin from the port side near the tail? I think that was the one mentioned previously, where some passengers were
sucked out.
With regards to overwing exits, I have actually been specifically put next to the overwing exit on a B737 and was told that it was because I would be
capable of operating them in an emergency. Am I? Dunno. Never tried and don't really want to!
- the aircraft was half full of schoolkids and theirteacher was scared of flying, so the check-in staff specifically selected adults who appeared fairly confident fliers to put next to the emergency exits.
If any of that is inaccurate, apart from the overwing exit story which I know to be true, hopefully SWAFO will come along and correct me shortly!
Ian P.
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - Pilot Ace Wanna-be - 25-08-2005
shut up, that means the thing sucks if u change it the way u want it....
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - SWAFO - 25-08-2005
Quote:Pilot Ace Wanna-be wrote:
shut up, that means the thing sucks if u change it the way u want it....
Woah! Don't quite know what this post means, but it sounds harsh!
Re: FSPassengers good idea but for now, few mistakes!! - SWAFO - 25-08-2005
Quote:FreedomFlyer wrote:
Hello virtual pilots and admins of FSPassengers,
since i bought this program, i think that tool is an new way for the flight simulator.
I know all of them spend lot of works, and many of them are quiet pleased of FSPassengers and its real
simulated conditions.
But all of that nice features, FSPassengers has an few mistakes of an real pilots live
I think the part of giving food,drink ect. is a work of the steward/stewardess, and not a job of an pilot on aircraft :D
But also if anyone like it, ok.
But it would be great if you can updated the failures!!
1. In real, no failures happens if you are open the door in the air!!! Because the doors are security looked. And
so "as real it gets"
this failure can be disabled for the future updates of FSPS..my tought.
I have this information from an real pilot, and hopes you see it also than me.
Otherwise its an great tool in a right way for the future of virtual flying with FlightSimulator.
Serving the food/drink, etc. is the job of the flight attendants. That's why all you do is simply press a 3 button
combination to start service! It's not like you've got to walk around your room serving virtual drinks! Are you really
that lazy to the point that pressing 3 buttons becomes a valid complaint in the forum? C'mon! In reality, if we don't
want the FA's to serve for whatever reason, we (the pilot's) have the final say. So technically, pressing three
buttons is realistic!
About the doors: Most of the issues about doors have already been answered on this thread, and I don't see any
mistakes in the responses. I wanted to add that ALL doors can be opened in flight in an emergency IF
NECESSARY. This is not normal procedure (obviously), but if necessary, all six doors (2 entrance, 2 service, and
2 emergency exits... the cargo doors can only be opened from outside in the 737) can be opened from inside the
cabin at any altitude. I'm not going to detail how exactly this is done (for obvious
reasons), however I will give you another interesting piece of information: The next time you fly in a 737, you can
open a locked bathroom door by sliding the "OCCUPIED", "IN USE", or whatever else that illuminated sign may
say (varies by aircraft/airlines) to the RIGHT. This will unlock the bathroom door. There's really no use to do this
(I'm sure some of you guys could think of some), however since I won't tell you how to open the main doors in
flight, you now know how to open the bathroom doors.
Also, if you're flying on an older 737 (-200 through -500), look right behind the emergency exit row in the aisle,
you'll notice a piece of carpet that appears to be cut in a square shape. The carpet can be lifted up to access the
main gear viewers. This allows us to tell if they're down and locked in an emergency. It looks kind of confusing
with mirrors and everything (keep in mind it's a small viewable area), but you'll get the hang of it eventually.
There's a few neat tricks for the 737's. There's quite a few others, but try the above two out!