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Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - ncp10 - 30-09-2009
Seemed like a fun product, so I sprung for it. Never mind the "rebate" offer I got a day after. Now I am getting lockups in FSX, which i
absolutely never had before. I uninstalled FSPax, all was fine, reinstalled FSPax, and it makes it 80% into a flight and locks up again.
Anyone having this combination work? I posted in their forum too. This is getting to be a real pisser, especially at the price for this.
Thanks,
Noel
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - iflyfsx - 30-09-2009
Vista is crap. It will soon be replaced by win7, which is slightly less crap, and might work better with FSPX. These days, booting to a different OS
is no big deal. You can keep the Vista crap for whatever reason, and boot into XP just for FSPX and other good software
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - damocles - 30-09-2009
Don't listen to ill informed advice.
I use vista x64 and fspassengers works without any problems........I can't believe the xp luddites are still banging on about vista 'sigh', get over
it!. If you like XP, fine!...but there's nothing wrong with vista if you have reasonable hardware....
You may need to do a fsx repair or reinstall as a lot of files move around when it's in use and may become corrupt if you have old hardware ( hard
drive bad sectors ).....and make sure you are up to date on your OS updates / direct X / drivers.
Did you defrag before installation? You should always make sure you're system is defragged before any installation and allow it to settle before
further updates.
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - Joeflyer - 30-09-2009
Damocles, ill informed advice? It seems many people have various issues with Vista. You may be one of the lucky ones who don't have
an issue with it. To say someone's advice is "ill informed" about Vista is disingenious at best. Since I don't use Vista at all, I haven't had
the opportunity to experience its pleasures or displeasures, but I wouldn't come out slamming people who do have it and experience the
ills of the system. Maybe what you have suggested will work for some. As for others, it may not work at all. Every system is different in
spite of the OS.
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - damocles - 30-09-2009
Reference to 'vista is crap' - Is that not 'ill informed'?
I have used Vista (as well as XP) for many years on a range of specs, (medium and high) 32 and 64 bit, and it's fine.
Like I said. If you like XP, fine! but Vista works well.
But I agree. Every system is different ....so troubleshooting may be difficult
I will try to help the OP if possible. But! the 'go back to XP' route is tired, boring and not very helpful in this case.
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - gbapache - 01-10-2009
damocles,
Dear sir and /or madam,
Your previous post was read with great delight as it was indicative of the fact that you read not the posts of which you speak.
Countless druids before you have droned on endlessly about one topic: Vista and its crapyness. Refrain from calling the Mods. on this
forum "ill-infrmed" ever again, they work hard for the likes of you. Consider yourself grumped at.
No beer for you
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - iflyfsx - 01-10-2009
"there's nothing wrong with vista if you have reasonable hardware"
In what fantasy land? No reasonable or unreasonable hardware will fix crappy software.
I've used DOS, every version of Windows since 3.1, several versions of MacOS, and more version of UNIX than I can remember. Vista is still crap, and
will continue to be crap. That's why most people stuck with XP and never "upgraded," and some of those who had Vista shoved down their throats [with a
new computer] went back to XP (was it Dell that had to start offering this option for new computers?).
The main point of my first reply, though, was: Don't blame FSPX for the OS's faults.
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - ncp10 - 01-10-2009
Quote:damocles wrote:
Don't listen to ill informed advice.
I use vista x64 and fspassengers works without any problems........I can't believe the xp luddites are still banging on about vista 'sigh', get
over
it!. If you like XP, fine!...but there's nothing wrong with vista if you have reasonable hardware....
You may need to do a fsx repair or reinstall as a lot of files move around when it's in use and may become corrupt if you have old
hardware ( hard
drive bad sectors ).....and make sure you are up to date on your OS updates / direct X / drivers.
Did you defrag before installation? You should always make sure you're system is defragged before any installation and allow it to settle
before
further updates.
Thank you for your ideas. I have multiple addons, keep my installation lean and in good repair, and have fairly new components, and so
forth. Top notch maintenance. So, not sure whether FSPax is a red herring for another issue or whether it is a source of conflicts.
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - gfurm - 01-10-2009
After switchin from XP to vista all BSOD and sudden reboots were gone. Never had any real problems with it except FSPX giving "you obviously didn't
buy" error quite often. Since I moved to Win7 RC few months ago I didn't have any issues whatsoever. No BSOD, no reboots no graphic driver freezes and
no FSPX errors. So for me it's not a little less crap than Vista, it's better than XP.
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - damocles - 01-10-2009
iflyfsx: 'sigh', I am a DOS > 3.11>>>>> Vista O/S vet as well and I build systems too so I know what I'm talking about.
gbapache: I didn't call the mods 'Ill informed' and I respect their hard work and help. Even if they might tell me off.
NCP10: What add-ons do you have and what are your computer specs? Do you have any freeware on your system ( you will not believe the amount of
problems I've had with FSX and rogue freeware code - a lot are iffy with x64 - reinstall required )
Does FSX completely lock up and you have to Ctrl+Alt+Del to the desktop?
Do you receive any error messages? Usually, you will get a ' ****** program has stopped working' pop up and a 'show details' drop down with
information about which file is causing the problem....could be a way in.
FSpassenger is compatible with Vistax64 and I have used it for many months for around 3 hrs a day without any problems at all - this suggests
the issue is not Operating System related. The likely suspect is FSX and it's configuration.
However, while FSX is an amazing program it's a nightmare to troubleshoot. Did you have any fsx.cfg tweaks before installing FSpassengers? A clean CFG
file may help ( obviously, back up your old fsx.cfg ). The last problem I had ( traffic X) required and complete fsx clean out, reinstall with loading
and warm boots inbetween each service pack and the add-on to be installed first before it played nice. If you have the time and the energy ( it's soo
long winded ) I would try that - a basic fsx sp2 with only fspassengers and see if it works properly.....a pain in the butt, I know.
I wonder if anyone else with Vistax64 is on this forum can chip in and confirm compatibility or issues....Like you say, it may not even be
FSpassengers but another fsx issue that rears it's head when it's installed.
....just a thought, are you able to check your memory usage during a flight? I have 12gb installed and FSX starts to do a wobble when, if, it reached
around 3.4+gb.
If I have a brainwave on this I'll let you know.
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - ncp10 - 02-10-2009
Quote:damocles wrote:
iflyfsx: 'sigh', I am a DOS &gt 3.11&gt&gt&gt&gt&gt Vista O/S vet as well and I build systems too so I know
what I'm talking about.
gbapache: I didn't call the mods 'Ill informed' and I respect their hard work and help. Even if they might tell me off.
NCP10: What add-ons do you have and what are your computer specs? Do you have any freeware on your system ( you will not believe
the amount of
problems I've had with FSX and rogue freeware code - a lot are iffy with x64 - reinstall required )
Does FSX completely lock up and you have to Ctrl+Alt+Del to the desktop?
Do you receive any error messages? Usually, you will get a ' ****** program has stopped working' pop up and a 'show details' drop down
with
information about which file is causing the problem....could be a way in.
FSpassenger is compatible with Vistax64 and I have used it for many months for around 3 hrs a day without any problems at all - this
suggests
the issue is not Operating System related. The likely suspect is FSX and it's configuration.
However, while FSX is an amazing program it's a nightmare to troubleshoot. Did you have any fsx.cfg tweaks before installing
FSpassengers? A clean CFG
file may help ( obviously, back up your old fsx.cfg ). The last problem I had ( traffic X) required and complete fsx clean out, reinstall with
loading
and warm boots inbetween each service pack and the add-on to be installed first before it played nice. If you have the time and the energy
( it's soo
long winded ) I would try that - a basic fsx sp2 with only fspassengers and see if it works properly.....a pain in the butt, I know.
I wonder if anyone else with Vistax64 is on this forum can chip in and confirm compatibility or issues....Like you say, it may not even be
FSpassengers but another fsx issue that rears it's head when it's installed.
....just a thought, are you able to check your memory usage during a flight? I have 12gb installed and FSX starts to do a wobble when, if, it
reached
around 3.4+gb.
If I have a brainwave on this I'll let you know.
Thank you for your insights. I am just starting lots of troubleshooting so the specs I'm going to convey are what always run stable, never
ever crashes, for many months now. I do run my platform overclocked, but again, these is a stable condition. What's interesting, is that
the FSPax demo ran fine, and never stopped. I have a bunch of troubleshooting to do, including seeing if the particular flight location is
an issue, or if some settings in FSPax after I completed the unlocking/registration code procedure may be causing this lockup.
What happens is, I set up a flight in the Coolsky Super 80 Professional, and maybe half an hour into it, the screen essentially freezes,
and I need to to a hard reboot.
Again, I haven't done the troubleshooting. I will be trying a few things to narrow down the issue, including watching for realtime memory
use, thanks for the reminder. Could be a genuine memory leak--it acts like this kinda sorta.
I am using a Penryn Quad Extreme, and usually run 3.9 to 4.1Ghz, FSB of 405 to 407. I am using 4Gb of nice Mushkin DDR-3 memory,
as 2x2Gb. I ran prime95 to make sure tested components are error-free at this overclock. My CPU cores stay around 65C at peak load at
these overclocks. Again, this system is stable.
Besides the aircraft noted, I use FSGenesis mesh, FEX, GEX, Ultimate Terrain, and LiveATC. I also may need to lower my
BUFFERPOOLS setting to allow for audio files triggered by FSPax. That's a thought.
Noel
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - Joeflyer - 02-10-2009
NCP, what kind of cooler are you using on that CPU?? 65C is quite warm actually. I use Vigor Monsoon Lite on my intel Core 2 Duo
E8400 and it keeps the CPU at 30C under peak load. Of course I keep the ambient temp around 22C or less, so that helps a great deal.
Have you thought about water cooling that monster? I have mine OC'd to 3.9Ghz as well.
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - ncp10 - 02-10-2009
Quote:Joeflyer wrote:
NCP, what kind of cooler are you using on that CPU?? 65C is quite warm actually. I use Vigor Monsoon Lite on my intel Core 2 Duo
E8400 and it keeps the CPU at 30C under peak load. Of course I keep the ambient temp around 22C or less, so that helps a great deal.
Have you thought about water cooling that monster? I have mine OC'd to 3.9Ghz as well.
Actually, I'm going to take a guess that we are using different sensors or software for temp monitoring. The maximum recommended
temp from Intel for this processor is 70C. The Tj Max is 100 or 105C. I am using Core Temp 0.99 for this readout. At rest, in a cold room,
she sits at around 40C. I am using the stock retail HSF (different for Extreme CPUs). But I am also shooting cold air directly onto my
CPU, memory and GPU. Without that, at 4.1Ghz, she would peak out well over 70C. I've used several different temp readout software
and they all have been different, but this one has been by far the highest. Everest, for example, shows temps in the mid 50's at peak. As
I say, I've been running stable for quite a long time, so I don't think this has anything to do with temps. As I say, I ran prime 95 w/ no
errors. I did that soon after having lockups. Further, I played Crysis for an hour last night with no lockups. And further still, I just flew the
MD80 on the same route as when FSPax was installed, and no lockups. Here's a new weird one: when I load a flight with FSPax, and
then go back to the General options in FSPax, it freezes up again! Def conflict with FSPax, which is bumming me out since I really liked it.
Plus I paid $54 US the other day. I'm really bummed! I'll keep seeing if I can localize the issue. It doesn't have a mem leak either. I'm
going to try one more time with a reinstall of FSPax, but this time WON"T unlock the software with the keycode. Wish me luck
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - Joeflyer - 02-10-2009
I have a direct sensor on the CPU that reads out digitally on the front of my pc. Of course I also have 7-120mm case fans to help keep my
beast cool. As far as FsPX goes, there has got to be some kind of conflict going on with Vista. Granted, I know some individuals don't
have an issue running FsPX with Vista, others do. Wish I could help you out on the Vista part, but I am at a loss.
Re: Is FSPasX + Vista 64 a no-no? - damocles - 02-10-2009
uuuumm.......hardware issues like overheating or things like fluctuating 3v, 5v 12v rail voltage issues usually result in a system shutting itself
down to protect components. This has happened a lot recently with some power supplies I have been using - I guess in a recession manufacturers are
working to the bare minimal material spec for their components ( I digress ).
It does appear FSpassenger is causing a problem in this particular case. Frustrating.
Do you think Dan could shed light on this.........I know he's a busy man.