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Question about fuel in fspassengers - sniperscout75 - 28-04-2005
I fly almost exclusively 737 and my question is regarding buying fuel in fspassengers. Im not sure how I should over estimate my fuel
calculations. Example, I just flew from CYEG(edmonton) to PANC(Anchorage Alaska) fs2004 says that it should take roughly 2600
gallons of fuel. So I Usually gas up with about 1000-1500 extra gallons. Im afraid that this will not be cost effective in fspassengers. So
how much extra fuel does real airlines carry per flight of about 1200 nm or so, roughly 2 hour and 40 minute flight at 31000 feet. FYI, when
I landed I had about 850 gallons left and I over estimated on this particular flight of 1300 gallons. So I believe that u real pilots out there,
this question should be for you or by experienced flight simmers. I dont want to continuously buy too much fuel for fspassengers if its not
necessary. (when it comes out that is) Thanks in advance to all who may reply, Jimmy
Post Edited ( 04-28-05 23:34 )
Re: Question about fuel in fspassengers - jboweruk - 28-04-2005
What you had left was about right if you had a clean landing and a tail wind. This is what you need to factor in, if you have to do a go
around you could be looking at adding half hour extra on your flight time, so that's going to burn 1 fifth of what you burned already extra,
which would bring you close to your margin, if you then had to go around again it's going to be bye bye 737 & pax. You need about 1 hour
extra flying time on your fuel, I'm afraid it's something that takes a bit of figuring out to do correctly, because you have so many factors,
there's no hard and set answer especially in flight sim for how much to take, real pilots have access to weather reports as well, so know
whether it's going to be head/tail wind on the journey. It's pretty safe to reckon on a 50 Kt headwind in FS, that seems to be around the
average windspeed in my experiance, though in the past I've hit 90 Knots headwind before. My advice would be on average you want
enough to go around twice, unless your going to Las Vegas, then bank on even more go's, I got three the other night and finally got fed up
and dumped it on the other runway which was consistently clear of traffic. Darned fool controllers
Re: Question about fuel in fspassengers - DanSteph - 28-04-2005
There is existing consumption calculus for every aircraft in reality but in Fs2004 too often they don't match
so you will have to experiment based on at least one flight...
FsP report the fuel used/ not used exactly so it would help.... also as said john flight rule say that you must have a reserve
of roughly one hours. FsP give you penality if you land without this reserve (in fact FsP is tolerant because
he start to complain when the reserve is less than 45mn only )
This give me an idea tho give more aicraft fuel statistics, perhaps consumption per hours and such...
that would help peoples that want to take the right fuel quantity...
This said for yet you pay only what you use in FsP. The only drawback is if you load 10 ton useless
fuel they will increase your fuel consumption because of the weight increase.
Dan
Re: Question about fuel in fspassengers - sniperscout75 - 28-04-2005
Thank you all very much for your responses, I will just start paying more attention to my fuel statistics. Ive been a flight simmer for a few
years however I never really look at fuel other than to make sure im not overweight. Thanks again, Jimmy
Re: Question about fuel in fspassengers - fruitfly - 29-04-2005
How much extra fuel? Good question!!!:
Some time ago a certain european national air transport company started encouraging its pilots with generous bonuses to save the fuel by
good planning. The 'pilot of the month ' was the one who spent the least fuel for a given route. Of course, the (safe) limits reachable by
good planning were reched very soon.
From that point on, the only way you could earn some of that extra cash was by cutting down the reserve fuel - less of it makes plane lighter
which finallyl reduces the fuel spent.
Heh! But there was a catch! Every time you'd earn some extra money with your 'record', the company would take your 'record' as a DEFAULT
value!!!! So if you wanted some of that bonus money the next month, you needed another record!
And than one MD80 run out of fuel and crashed 9 miles before therunway. And it was all over!
But nobody got killed and we can freely laugh at this true story.
P.S. There's another story that says a man was teaching his donkey not to eat. But JUST at the moment the donkey learned the trick, he
died of starvation.
So... you say how much extra fuel! What extra fuel?
Re: Question about fuel in fspassengers - DanSteph - 29-04-2005
Great story, by chance there was no injury... but it could end very bad...
One should not mess with air security... in this case I'm sure the crash
was more expensive than all the fuel saved previously.
"-Pilot to tower. I am 300 miles from land. 600 feet over water and running out of fuel. Please instruct! "
"-Tower to pilot. Tower to pilot. Repeat after me, 'Our Father, which art in heaven...'"
Well back to code
Dan
Re: Question about fuel in fspassengers - jboweruk - 29-04-2005
@ Dan, I like that.Post Edited ( 04-30-05 00:36 )
Re: Question about fuel in fspassengers - sniperscout75 - 30-04-2005
Thats about the funniest thing ever Dan, good one.