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A belly landing at -200fpm cause the pilot to die?!?!! - jer - 14-08-2007
the pilot is dead when i belly-land at 200fpm?? why? the crash of BMI 92, the pilot is injured he crash landed near the M1. then the pilot is injured
not dead!
Flight ID: AO329
Pilot: Robert Barlow (RIP)
Company: Pacifica Airlines
Aircraft: Boeing 707-320C
Flight Date: August 14 2007
Departure: 10h26 (17h26 GMT)
Arrival: --
From: KCCR - Buchanan - Usa
To: NGZ
Nbr of Passengers: 24
Accident Report:
The aircraft crashed at 10h33 hitting ground at 224 mph with a vert. speed of -246 ft/m.
According to the black-box we deduce the following: One engine was damaged by small arms fire coming from the ground and ceased to function. The right
fuel tank was hit by a ground shot and started leaking fuel. The left fuel tank was hit by a ground shot and started leaking fuel. The vacuum system
was hit by a ground shot. The hydraulic system was hit by a ground shot resulting in total loss of all hydraulic systems. The electrical systems were
hit by a ground shot resulting in a complete electrical systems failure. Your aircraft received a few ground shots. The aircraft was hit by
anti-aircraft artillery fire resulting in a massive hull rupture. This was probably the root cause of the crash. The Captain has declared an emergency
before the crash.
Casualties:
-24 passengers aboard
-18 killed
-6 injured
-Pilot and flight crew were killed
Report:
Flight Distance: 15 Nm Landing Speed: --
Time Airborne: 00h06:15 Landing Touchdown: --
Flight Time (block): 00h07:05 Landing Pitch: --
Time On Ground: 00h00:51 Landing Weight: --
Average Speed: 171.65 mph Total Fuel Used: 60474 lbs
Max. Altitude: 1227ft Fuel Not Used: 99288 lbs
Passenger Opinion: Terror and grief. (0%)
-Were anxious because they had flown over a war risk zone.
-Were terrified because of the problem during flight.
Overall Flight Result: Crash
Pilot Bonus points: 150 points
There was a problem aboard and you declared an emergency. (+150)
Pilot's Penalty points: -500 points
Crash! You hit the ground with an impact speed of -246 ft/mn. There was a serious failure aboard before the crash, but you are trained to deal with
these situations. You did not perform very well here. (-500)
In memory of the pilot who died these penalty points will not
be recorded in his log and his last rank will be maintained.
Post Edited ( 08-14-07 20:07 )
Re: A belly landing at -200fpm cause the pilot to die?!?!! - Launchbury - 14-08-2007
That seems like a legitimate result. That anyone survived that incident is surprising. Belly landing a 707 with 100,000 pounds of fuel is
not a safe bet.
Re: A belly landing at -200fpm cause the pilot to die?!?!! - Charles King - 14-08-2007
I agree with Lauchbury. I imagine that plane really lit up when it hit the ground. A decent of rate of 200 fpm is kinda hard on the belly of the
aircraft before you even factor in how fast you are going. So yeah, there is a very good chance of you being killed on a belly landing at 224mph with
a decent rate of 200fpm with 100,000lbs of fuel on board.
Re: A belly landing at -200fpm cause the pilot to die?!?!! - ragingfred - 14-08-2007
what about a belly landing on a 737 at 74 feet per minute with 50% fuel and no pax/cargo?
it happened to me
Re: A belly landing at -200fpm cause the pilot to die?!?!! - Valoran - 16-08-2007
The flight crew rarely walks away from an accident. It seems that the cockpit is not the safest place on the aircraft. I would imagine it has
something to do with it (the cockpit) generally being in the front of the aircraft and experiencing the largest g-loading in an impact
becuase of the vertical movement. The airframe up front is also not stressed for impacts as well as the wing struts and landing gear
areas. I would say (without substantial evidence) that the safest place in an airliner is right over the wing unless you are involved in a
fuselage fuel tank explosion.
Re: A belly landing at -200fpm cause the pilot to die?!?!! - JanniCash - 16-08-2007
In other words, you'd say that with respect to G forces and torque, the safest place inside of something, bound to some inevitable direction and
velocity changes due to collision, is the "Center of Gravity" of that something, no?
I think Newton would agree to that.
Jan
Re: A belly landing at -200fpm cause the pilot to die?!?!! - jer - 25-08-2007
Flight PM817 End of flight report Date August 25 2007
Flight ID: PM817
Pilot: Robert Barlow (RIP)
Company: Pacifica Airlines
Aircraft: Aerlingus B737-300 Old Colors
Flight Date: August 25 2007
Departure: 09h23 (16h24 GMT)
Arrival: --
From: KOAK - Metropolitan Oakland Intl - Usa
To: KSFO - San Francisco Intl - Usa
Nbr of Passengers: 0
Accident Report:
The aircraft crashed at 09h27 hitting ground at 268 mph with a vert. speed of -206 ft/m.
There were no known failures on this aircraft at the time of the accident.The cause of the crash remains unknown, most probably it was due to human
error. No emergency was declared before the crash.
Casualties:
Casualties:
-Pilot and flight crew were killed
Report:
Flight Distance: 9 Nm Landing Speed: --
Time Airborne: 00h02:55 Landing Touchdown: --
Flight Time (block): 00h03:21 Landing Pitch: --
Time On Ground: 00h01:19 Landing Weight: --
Average Speed: 231.72 mph Total Fuel Used: 668 lbs
Max. Altitude: 2027ft Fuel Not Used: 17182 lbs
Passenger Opinion: No passengers aboard.
Overall Flight Result: Crash
Pilot's Penalty points: -800 points
Crash! You hit the ground with an impact speed of -206 ft/mn. There was no failure aboard before the crash. (-800)
In memory of the pilot who died these penalty points will not
be recorded in his log and his last rank will be maintained.
737 with 50% fuel and no pax.
-200fpm still the pilot can die????