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Landing - shant592 - 15-01-2006
I have a question, Im having some trouble on landing. I feel l ike i do land perfectly and i do follow all cheklists and manuals but i always
get scorched at by FsPassenger.
Re: Landing - Drew - 15-01-2006
can you expand on 'scorched'??
maybe post a report or tell us what you are getting penilised for
Re: Landing - shant592 - 15-01-2006
I land softly and i mena. It always says i have a hard landing and i bent thegear. Even though my landing speed is about 145-150 kias
and my G's are only 1.0. Any tips
Re: Landing - Drew - 15-01-2006
in the report, what does it say your touchdown is (eg Landing Touchdown: -140.8 ft/m (kiss))? this is what decides if it is a heavy
landing or not.
I dont recall the exact amount, but i think its somewhere around 600+ will result in bent gear.
Re: Landing - shant592 - 15-01-2006
its around like - 200 i think
Re: Landing - shant592 - 15-01-2006
But i dont know what to do. Ive done the flight training. Follow all manuals. Slow down to projjected speed and dont flare till about 10'
above the runway.
Re: Landing - Drew - 15-01-2006
if its around 200, it shouldnt bend the gear on landing - does it say anything about running off the runway? are you using any default
scenary?
can you post a report?
if you go to start>program?fspassengers>open fsp folder - you will see your last report is available there
(moving the thread to support)
Re: Landing - shant592 - 15-01-2006
Flight DL245 End of flight report Date January 15 2006
Flight ID: DL245
Pilot: Shant Kahwajian
Company: Delta
Aircraft: Boeing 757-200 (Delta NNC)
Flight Date: January 15 2006
Departure: 13h12 (21h13 GMT)
Arrival: 13h56 (21h57 GMT)
From: KLAS - Mc Carran Intl - Usa
To: KLAX - Los Angeles Intl - Usa
Nbr of Passengers: 143
Report:
Flight Distance: 204 Nm Landing Speed: 119.92 kt
Time Airborne: 00h42:01 Landing Touchdown: -896.92 ft/m
Flight Time (block): 00h44:06 Landing Pitch: 6.06°
Time On Ground: 00h09:22 Landing Weight: 215938 lbs
Average Speed: 292.36 kt Total Fuel Used: 5647 lbs
Max. Altitude: FL 250 Fuel Not Used: 39629 lbs
Climb Time: 00h10:11 Climb Fuel Used: 2711 lbs
Cruise Time: 00h15:53 Cruise Fuel Used: 1642 lbs
Average Cruise Speed: 378.29 kt (M0.61) Cruise fuel/hour: 6203 lbs (calc)
Descent Time: 00h15:57 Descent Fuel Used: 1293 lbs
Passenger Opinion: Very good flight, professionally done (96%)
-Were in a better mood because they had food.
-Were pleased by the music on ground. A very nice addition to their flying experience.
-Wonder if they landed or if they crashed (hard landing).
Financial Report:
Ticket Income: +$17,187 (204 Nm)
Cargo Income: +$7,666 (14845 lbs)
Services Income: +$453 (1 sandwich 0 hot food 1 drink)
Services Cost: -$283 (20% quality)
Fuel Cost: -$3,026 (5647 lbs Jet-A1)
Airport Taxes: -$309 (Heavy Aircraft)
Insurance Costs: -$2,299 (9.25% rate)
Total Real Income: $19,389
Total Income: $969,450 (real x50)
Fleet Bonus: $0 (1 aircraft ,no flights today)
Total Sim Income: $969,450 (total income+fleet bonus)
Company Reputation:
Considering that the flight was very good the ticket price low, the service price normal and the service quality bad, passengers on this
flight think that your company's reputation should be 96%
Your company reputation is now: 62% (+3.33 increase)
Overall Flight Result: Horrible
Pilot Bonus points: 90 points (-30% because you used time acceleration)
• Good Flight, no problems and satisfied passengers. (+100)
• You landed at the scheduled airport. (+30)
Pilot's Penalty points: -1000 points
• You made a very hard landing at -896 ft/mn and the tires sustained damage. (-400)
• Exceeding maximum speed of this aircraft is very dangerous. (-600)
Re: Landing - Dutch64 - 15-01-2006
Hi shant, as your report shows your landing touchdown speed is indeed very high, close to 900 ft/m. (your vertical speed),
you should try to get that
under 600 ft/m. Before landing, lift the nose a bit, make sure you're not too high just before touchdown so that you don't
need to sink too hard etc.
It will take some practice of course but it can be done
Re: Landing - Lt. Grullon - 15-01-2006
Yeah thats pretty hard if I was a passenger on one of your flights. Try to be at 3,000ft when you are about 10 miles away from your airport,
but that will depend on a lot of factors, equipment type, weathers, and your current landing weight. And by now you should have a decent
rate close to or from 200-500ft.
Re: Landing - Lt. Grullon - 15-01-2006
Oh and you will find more helpfull information on landings on this forum..........tittle
Where is a good source to get takeoff/landing speeds and flap settings?
Re: Landing - Stentor - 16-01-2006
119 knots seems a bit slow for that plane, is it? I would guess that 140 knots would be closer, you must have been close to a stall and
losing alt quickly. Just a guess, I have not flown a 757 (V) for a very long time
Re: Landing - WBHoenig - 16-01-2006
I'd think about 130-160 for a 757. You probably did a perfect approach, but fell like a rock at the end because you were too slow. 900 fpm is
extremely hard.
Re: Landing - AKLupine - 16-01-2006
Over the years I have noted that most large aircraft maintain 120-140 (scopes only show the 12-14 so it could be 120 or 129,) on final inside the FAF
to touchdown. We also on occasion conduct what is called an ASR approach which is like a radar guided LOC approach without the LOC. In any case, we
try to match up with a 3* descent which works out to about 300 feet per mile. If you figure that you're travelling a little over 2 miles per minute
you can pick a point on the approach, do the math, and plot out where you need to start your descent with a rate of 700 fpm. I did this today
actually when I was assigned a VIS approach into KBOI RY28L. Looking in my approach plates I saw that 28L has a BC approach and thought why not try
this. I used the BC function on the autopilot and programmed the altitude hold to lvl out 200' agl, (3100 msl.) It would have worked perfectly if I
hadn't of started down a mile late. As it was, I landed long but didn't have to go around. FYI: I was flying a Boeing 733 on this flight. Give this
a go, I think you'll find it works well, just remember to give yourself the 1-200 foot buffer to lvl out, flair and touchdown.
Re: Landing - olseric - 16-01-2006
Agreed...way too slow which in turn caused a high rate of descent. Also, your pitch was too high to flare this thing out at all in an attempt
to correct it.
As previously stated, the 757 should be touching down in the 130-140 kias area.