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Request for advice regarding CTDs - GDStaple - 28-11-2005
I was searching the forums and looking at the FAQs for a solution to the CTD issue, and I noticed some people have never resolved their
CTD issues. I have begun having the same problems with CTDs whenever I have been handed off to Ground after clearing the runway
that some other people have mentioned. I have gone thru all the recommendations I have located in the forums and here's my results:
1) Aerocore.dll - do not have on my system, nor have I ever
2) EditVoicePack - CTDs happen at the same instance with or without this addon
3) I have had this happen at 4 different airports with 3 different aircraft (all default MS aircraft w/ new textures) and two different seasons.
4) I do not understand why I would have the CTDs because of hardware acceleration in DirectX, I have never changed the settings and
the CTDs only began with the last version of FSP.
5) I have re-installed FS9 twice from the ground up and still have the CTDs.
6) I do not have these CTDs on non FSP filghts.
7) I do not have any addon scenery installed.
This is one of the best addons for simming I have ever seen, but I am getting tired of throwing away 2 hours at a time due to the CTD
issue. It wasn't until tonight that I have noticed a common thread in all the instanced of CTD, these are continuation of flights loaded from
the My Saved Flights option in FS9. I have not had a CTD when the flight is generated in the Create A Flight menu on FS9, only when the
flight is loaded from a saved flight. I like to save and pickup back up at the airport I landed at for a bit of added realism, so I usually start
from a previous save. I am unsure if this is the source of the problem of just a coincidence, butI am going to begin to only fly flights I build
from scratch, that is until a better option comes up. Any advise or recommendations would be most appreciated. I do know I had flown
over 300 hours in FS9 before FSP came out and have never had a CTD like this one. In fact, I can say I have had very few CTDs with FS9
since I purchased it, until now.
Thanks in advance for any help provided
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - DanSteph - 28-11-2005
can you post your log.txt ?
Directx acceleration if for sound not for graphic...
did you tried to upgrade your driver , what do you have for a card ?
Dan
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - GDStaple - 28-11-2005
I was referring to the Sound1 tab in the dxdiag application. Under the Sound1 tab it has a slider for audio hardware acceleration.
I have the Creative SB Live Series that came with my PC. I am currently updating the drivers for it, the most recent are from 2004.
Below is my log.txt from after the crash. I had not started up FS9 since the CTD.
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FsPassengers ver. Sep 05 2005
LOG started 28.11.2005 - 04:50
flightlog: 697byte index: 99byte
Company: 10855byte
-------------------------------------
Start of FsPassengers.dll
keyboard.ini file loaded key read= 26
Fs2004 path: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9
DirectSoundInit->Success
Language.cfg not found selected Language:English
Loading config file
Nbr of currency found in file: 8
Selected currency:Dollars
End of initialisation - OK
payload count 7
Payload ini> search loadmodel for: Cessna Skylane 182S N677LW
Payload ini> Loading : 182
Payload ini> Loaded: 182.ini
payload count 7
Payload ini> Zero Cg Pos found: 1.00000
original CGPos= 0.12256
payload count 7
Payload ini> search passenger lon: -97.02 lat:52.36 maxpass: 2
Payload ini> zone nbr: 0 use zone list name (self-1): 0 passengers found 2
payload count 7
payload count 7
payload count 7
payload count 7
payload count 7
payload count 7
payload count 7
payload count 7
payload count 7
Module and mem Listing:
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Total Virtual: 2147352576
Total Avail virtual: 1651712000
Total free mem: 495640576
0X20600000 ABLSCPT.DLL
0X20650000 ACONTAIN.DLL
0X20670000 AI_PLAYR.DLL
0X20690000 ATC.DLL
0X20710000 CONTROLS.DLL
0X20740000 DEMO.DLL
0X20760000 DYNAMIC.DLL
0X20770000 FACILITIES.DLL
0X207B0000 FE.DLL
0X207D0000 FLIGHT.DLL
0X65000000 FsPassengers.dll
0X69A80000 FSSOUND.DLL
0X20800000 FSUI.DLL
0X00B90000 FSUIPC.dll
0X20900000 G2D.DLL
0X20C10000 G3D.DLL
0X20CE0000 GLOBAL.DLL
0X20CF0000 gps.DLL
0X20D10000 gps_export.dll
0X20D20000 INSTRUCTOR.DLL
0X20D30000 MAIN.DLL
0X20D60000 mpchat.DLL
0X20D70000 MULTIPLAYER.DLL
0X20D90000 PANELS.DLL
0X20E10000 REALITY.DLL
0X20E20000 SIM1.dll
0X20EC0000 SimScheduler.DLL
0X20ED0000 SOUND.DLL
0X20EF0000 SYMMAP.DLL
0X20F20000 TERRAIN.DLL
0X21080000 Traffic.DLL
0X210B0000 UTIL.DLL
0X210E0000 VISUALFX.DLL
0X21120000 Weather.DLL
0X21160000 WINDOW.DLL
End of module listing
Use FSP ATC ID
ATC Aircraft MTOW is: 3110.00000
Heavy Value before change= 1
Heavy flag not set
Starting FsPassengers adventure
Loading Crew sound from user chosen directory Sound/CrewPack/default/
Loading crew sound, default voice pack used
Disabled penalty flag 0
Mainloop Use timer
Total Percentage of failure= 5
Pausing FsPassengers adventure
UnPausing FsPassengers adventure
Pausing FsPassengers adventure
UnPausing FsPassengers adventure
Pausing FsPassengers adventure
UnPausing FsPassengers adventure
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - SaVas - 28-11-2005
When it crashes to your desktop, you should get an error message which states normally what .dll file it was
Im going to take a stab at this and say its one of three:
fe.dll
g2d.dll
g3d.dll
Any of those the culprit?
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - GDStaple - 28-11-2005
The few times I have had the patience to wait for the dialog box to appear it was atc.dll that caused the problem. This CTD actually is a
crash to black screen, with the FSP mini-window remaining. It stays black for a while and then will crash back to the desktop with the MS
Send Report dialog box. The only times I have this happen is just after I clear the runway and tell FS to change my COM frequency to
ground's frequency.
Post Edited ( 11-28-05 22:14 )
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - SaVas - 28-11-2005
Hmm, Do you have latest version of FSP?
if you get the black screen try this:
do ctrl + shift + V to close the mini report
Alt tab to another window then alt tab back to the sim.
As for CTD it sounds like something is corrupt with a file maybe used with EditVP
EDIT: I read about the saved flight problems...best thing is do like I do as saved flights seem to be buggier than they are worth.
Write down on a notepad your last airport you landed at and just create a flight
or enter the sim and go into FSP Manager and look at your last flight and write down the airport code and create a flight afterwards.
if you land at different places with different aircraft the notepad works really good and you suffer a lot less CTDs
Post Edited ( 11-28-05 22:28 )
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - Dutch64 - 28-11-2005
atc.dll crashes are the worst in fact. Worst because they are very hard to solve. Most common reasons for this kind of crash are double or wrong afcad
files, too heavy load of ai traffic, certain addon scenery etc.
Do you use fs9 or fs9.1 (ie, with the patch)?
I had often these crashes till i updated to 9.1 After that it happened one more time which turned out to be a double afcad file.
But again, it's a weird and annoying type of crash.
Maybe you can do a search at avsim for atc.dll and see all the results coming up.... Driving many people completely nuts
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - SaVas - 28-11-2005
dll crashes are a pain. Luckily I was having only g2d.dll and g3d.dll and did a search on google. Found a forum where someone who
was having no issues created a download of both their g2d and g3d files and viola, Ive had no crashes since.
The more we add to the sim the more complex it gets and the more prone to errors.
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - GDStaple - 29-11-2005
Thanks to Dan, SaVas and Dutch for the help.
@SaVas: I have decided that the saves are more trouble than they are worth and hopefully that will fix the problem. I had this same
CTDs both with EditVP and on a clean install of FS9 (updated to 9.1) without EditVP. As for tabbing out to another application, I have
trouble just getting the PC to open up Task Manager so I can kill FS9. What ever is causing the crash, it's really taxing my system. I also
have the latest version of FSP. I will try closing the mini-report the next time it comes up.
@Dutch: I do not have any addon scenery nor do I have any afcad files on my FS9. Thanks for the tip on checking Avsim, I'll take a look
there later tonight.
Thanks again,
Garrick
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - Bushpilot - 29-11-2005
May or may not be related but I was having problems and was having a devil of a time trying to track the culprit. Finally found this:
Disregard the "ATI" bit as this can occur with any set-up.
https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=854
Be sure to read the last link too great info there -
Staying Out Of The Loop - http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=64
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - GDStaple - 06-12-2005
Just posting an update to my CTD problems. I didn't need to update my audio drivers, but I updated my video card drivers and
motherboard BIOS, and I have changed to only using a saved flight for startup very sparingly. This appears to have solved my CTDs. I
have made several flights and I am very happy to report so far so good, no crashes. Thanks to everyone who offered advice, I think I used
a little from everyone in getting this solved. I am not sure what exactly fixed the problem, but for anyone having the CTD when getting
cleared to ground I hope this helps.
Thanks again,
Garrick
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - svenpurple7 - 08-12-2005
Quote:GDStaple wrote:
Just posting an update to my CTD problems. I didn't need to update my audio drivers, but I updated my video card drivers and
motherboard BIOS, and I have changed to only using a saved flight for startup very sparingly. This appears to have solved my CTDs. I
have made several flights and I am very happy to report so far so good, no crashes. Thanks to everyone who offered advice, I think I used
a little from everyone in getting this solved. I am not sure what exactly fixed the problem, but for anyone having the CTD when getting
cleared to ground I hope this helps.
Thanks again,
Garrick
I didn't update any drivers. I just start each and every flight from the "create a flight" screen and I haven't seen a CTD since.
Thanks Garrick for this post.
And thanks to everyone else that took the time to post an idea. I SO 
FSPASSENGERS now that I don't get CTDs.
Actually, I loved it when I was getting CTDs. Ben.
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - GDStaple - 11-12-2005
I posted too soon. I pressed my luck in loading a saved flight and got bit in the ass. I had just landed at Narita and after I responded to
the handoff to Ground, everything went black except for the mini-report. Thus, I am completely stumped as to what is the real root of the
problem. I know I have seen several people with the same problem, perhaps there's a common thread in hardware or something. Just
in case anyone is interested here's my specs:
2.6 GHz P4 (Dell Dimension 8300)
512MB RAM
128MG ATI Radeon 9800
SB Live sound card
I believe everyone when they say the saved flights are buggy, however I never had a problem with any crashes like this in FS9. I am going
to completely stop using the saved flights, but I just don't understand why this was not a problem earlier (pre-FSP).
Garrick
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Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - olseric - 12-12-2005
What's your swap file size?
SETTINGS->CONTROL PANEL->SYSTEM->ADVANCED->PERFORMANCE OPTIONS
Go to the Virtual Memory section and change it to an inital size of 1024MB and a max size of 1024MB.
Reboot and retry. Let us know if it works.
Re: Request for advice regarding CTDs - GDStaple - 14-12-2005
Eric, thanks for the suggestion. I had not thought of adjusting the swap file size, but I am willing to try almost anything. My current
settings are min of 768MB and a max of 1536MB. The next time I have a series of shorter flights I'll make this change and report back in.
It may be a few days before I can get back on here and report, but I'll be sure to post and update when I can.