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Variances in Income - crash_continental - 11-09-2005
Hi all,
I'm wondering a bit at this one...
I flew a long flight yesterday (London - Vancouver; 10+hrs) and actually made less than I did on a shorter flight (Athens - London) with the
same aircraft. I had 3 less passengers on the shorter flight, too. The first report (LGAV-EGKK) is with an older version of FSP
and the second flight (EGKK-CYVR) is with the most current version. I have not changed my tickets prices.
Flight BL258 flight report log Date September 05 2005
Flight ID: BL258
Pilot: Daniel Baker
Company: Bluelines London
Aircraft: B767-300ER - Bluelines (Evania)
Flight Date: September 05 2005
Departure: 12h33 (11h34 GMT)
Arrival: 15h53 (14h54 GMT)
From: LGAV
To: EGKK - Gatwick - United Kingdom
Nbr of Passengers: 199
Report:
Flight Distance: 1,291 Nm Landing Speed: 138.91 kt
Time Airborne: 03h03:12 Landing Touchdown: -223.85 ft/m (nice)
Flight Time (block): 03h23:38 Landing Pitch: 2.07°
Time On Ground: 00h26:07 Landing Weight: 292859 lbs
Average Speed: 422.81 kt Total Fuel Used: 37759 lbs
Max. Altitude: FL 360 Fuel Not Used: 13200 lbs
Climb Time: 00h17:57 Climb Fuel Used: 9685 lbs
Cruise Time: 02h22:27 Cruise Fuel Used: 24608 lbs
Average Cruise Speed: 461.38 kt (M0.74) Cruise fuel/hour: 10365 lbs (calc)
Descent Time: 00h22:48 Descent Fuel Used: 3465 lbs
Passenger Opinion: Exceptional flight (100%)
-Were highly entertained by the movie.
-Were in a better mood because they had food.
-Were pleased by the music on ground. A very nice addition to their flying experience.
Financial Report:
Ticket Income: +$121,949 (1,291 Nm)
Cargo Income: +$195,727 (49204 lbs)
Services Income: +$2,023 (0 sandwich 1 hot food 1 drink)
Services Cost: -$1,629 (41% quality)
Fuel Cost: -$26,432 (37759 lbs Jet-A1)
Airport Taxes: -$460 (Heavy Aircraft)
Insurance Costs: -$13,723 (4.32% rate)
Total Real Income: $277,456
Total Income: $2,774,563 (real x10)
Fleet Bonus: $1,202,281 (35 aircraft)
Total Sim Income: $3,976,844 (total income+fleet bonus)
Company Reputation:
Considering that the flight was perfect the ticket price very low, the service price normal and the service quality good, passengers on this
flight think that your company's reputation should be 100%
Your company reputation is now: 99% (+0.01 increase)
Overall Flight Result: Perfect
Pilot Bonus points: 382 points
• You made a very nice landing. (+50)
• Perfect Flight, no problems and very satisfied passengers. (+150)
• You landed at the scheduled airport. (+30)
• Long flight (03h03) without using time acceleration, without any problems and with satisfied passengers. (+152)
Pilot's Penalty points: -30 points
• The landing lights must be turned off when flying higher than 10000 ft. (-30)
( 5 penalty disabled by more_option.cfg )
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Flight BL549 flight report log Date September 10 2005
Flight ID: BL549
Pilot: Daniel Baker
Company: Bluelines London
Aircraft: B767-300ER - Bluelines (Gretel)
Flight Date: September 10 2005
Departure: 10h03 (09h03 GMT)
Arrival: 11h00 (19h01 GMT)
From: EGKK - Gatwick - United Kingdom
To: CYVR - Vancouver Intl - Canada
Nbr of Passengers: 202
Report:
Flight Distance: 4,113 Nm Landing Speed: 129.91 kt
Time Airborne: 09h37:08 Landing Touchdown: -123.8 ft/m (kiss)
Flight Time (block): 10h01:52 Landing Pitch: 3.62°
Time On Ground: 00h34:06 Landing Weight: 291113 lbs
Average Speed: 427.40 kt Total Fuel Used: 114428 lbs
Max. Altitude: FL 360 Fuel Not Used: 38760 lbs
Climb Time: 00h14:30 Climb Fuel Used: 11460 lbs
Cruise Time: 08h56:54 Cruise Fuel Used: 98231 lbs
Average Cruise Speed: 437.94 kt (M0.70) Cruise fuel/hour: 10977 lbs (calc)
Descent Time: 00h25:44 Descent Fuel Used: 4735 lbs
Passenger Opinion: Exceptional flight (100%)
-Are pleased to have landed right on schedule.
-Were highly entertained by the movie.
-Were in a better mood because they had food.
-Were pleased by the music on ground. A very nice addition to their flying experience.
Financial Report:
Ticket Income: +$130,866 (4,113 Nm)
Cargo Income: +$83,430 (20480 lbs)
Services Income: +$5,701 (0 sandwich 3 hot food 2 drink)
Services Cost: -$4,637 (41% quality)
Fuel Cost: -$79,231 (114428 lbs Jet-A1)
Airport Taxes: -$538 (Heavy Aircraft)
Insurance Costs: -$28,789 (4.32% rate)
Total Real Income: $106,801
Total Income: $1,068,014 (real x10)
Fleet Bonus: $462,794 (35 aircraft)
Total Sim Income: $1,530,808 (total income+fleet bonus)
Company Reputation:
Considering that the flight was perfect the ticket price very low, the service price good and the service quality good, passengers on this
flight think that your company's reputation should be 100%
Your company reputation is now: 99% (+0.01 increase)
Overall Flight Result: Perfect
Pilot Bonus points: 230 points (-30% because you used time acceleration)
• You made a very smooth landing. (+50)
• Perfect Flight, no problems and very satisfied passengers. (+150)
• You landed at the scheduled airport. (+30)
• Precise arrival time at destination.(00h03:08 difference) (+100)
I realize I could carry less cargo on the longer flight but shouldn't the passenger ticket prices be way more expensive? Thanks for your
help...
p.s. The only major difference in the diabled options is that for the second flight I forgot to disable time acc in the more_options file first.
Would this make a difference to income?
Re: Variances in Income - AndrePaul - 13-09-2005
hey man, yu aint makin any money at all, i make the same and more than what u make now with a flight that is no way near the duration
of those flights, one of ma regular flights is 1hr 25mins, ksfo - ksea, and i make 3+million with a fokker 100, which is amuch smaller
plane 2, u are being too nice, turn up your prices, if u wanna make some nice money
Re: Variances in Income - Sovek - 13-09-2005
Im thinking points has something to do with it.
Re: Variances in Income - crash_continental - 13-09-2005
It must be points... But I can't be sure. Hopefully I'll get an official answer.
Re: Variances in Income - Sovek - 13-09-2005
yeah, cause look at the fleet bonus, youll notice a big diffrence in it.
Re: Variances in Income - omarza - 13-09-2005
I might be totally wrong here but it seems to me that on your first flight (the shorter one) you flew passengers and a heavy load of cargo...
basically almost a passeneger and cargo flight in one due to less fuel required. On the 2nd flight it seems you had to sacrifice cargo space for fuel
to be loaded... in other words more a passenger flight alone... therefore the income difference I think.
Re: Variances in Income - crash_continental - 13-09-2005
Yes, but you would think the ticket income would more than make up for this. The distance was more than triple that of the shorter flight.
Shouldn't that be way more expensive?
Still no official word...
Re: Variances in Income - DanSteph - 13-09-2005
The "official" had a cold last week and stayed in bed most of time...
The price increase with distance but there is a limit, price increase start to decrease (if you follow?)
until there is no more benefice for longer flight.
The reason is: if I apply the same price function whitout limit passengers might end
paying $US5'000 a ticket for a very long trips. This isn't the case also in reality.
Example: The price you set is for 1000km, you set 500 $ wich might be a normal price...
now if you make a 10'000km price the tickets price would have been $US5000 without limit.
Dan
Post Edited ( 09-14-05 02:15 )
Re: Variances in Income - SaVas - 13-09-2005
Quote:AndrePaul wrote:
hey man, yu aint makin any money at all, i make the same and more than what u make now with a flight that is no way near the duration
of those flights, one of ma regular flights is 1hr 25mins, ksfo - ksea, and i make 3+million with a fokker 100, which is amuch smaller
plane 2, u are being too nice, turn up your prices, if u wanna make some nice money
I am guessing you also have it set at the x50 wheras in this case its set at x10
Re: Variances in Income - crash_continental - 14-09-2005
Quote:DanSteph wrote:
The "official" had a cold last week and stayed in bed most of time...
The price increase with distance but there is a limit, price increase start to decrease (if you follow?)
until there is no more benefice for longer flight.
The reason is: if I apply the same price function whitout limit passengers might end
paying $US5'000 a ticket for a very long trips. This isn't the case also in reality.
Example: The price you set is for 1000km, you set 500 $ wich might be a normal price...
now if you make a 10'000km price the tickets price would have been $US5000 without limit.
Dan
So a flight that is 10000km will actually earn you less than say, 2000km one? Or do you mean that it won't increase exponentially?
In other words, I'm seeing this;
Ex1:
1000km = $500
2000km = $1000
3000km = $1400
4000km= $1600
5000km= $1650
6000km= $1500
7000km= $1400
8000km= $1000
9000km= $500
or is it this;
Ex2:
1000km = $500
2000km = $1000
3000km = $1400
4000km= $1600
5000km= $1700
6000km= $1750
7000km= $1775
8000km= $1800
9000km= $1815
I would think Ex2 would make more sense, but it seems like you're using Ex1. Is this true? If so, what's our motivation for flying longer
distances. It would be, in fact, a penalty.
p.s. Hope you get better soon!!
Re: Variances in Income - aibiria - 14-09-2005
What I think is that this guy should turn up the ticket prices. Saying that he's got 99.99 % reputation, he could increase it at least to normal
or a little bit higher than good.
Re: Variances in Income - DanSteph - 14-09-2005
Quote:crash_continental wrote:
Ex2:
1000km = $500
2000km = $1000
3000km = $1400
4000km= $1600
5000km= $1700
6000km= $1750
7000km= $1775
8000km= $1800
9000km= $1815
I would think Ex2 would make more sense, but it seems like you're using Ex1. Is this true? If so, what's our motivation for flying longer
distances. It would be, in fact, a penalty.
p.s. Hope you get better soon!!
Of course it's the Ex2: case, the EX1 would be a dumb things
Thanks I feel a bit better now I HATE sickness...
(who would like it anyway ? 
)Dan
Post Edited ( 09-14-05 04:49 )
Re: Variances in Income - crash_continental - 14-09-2005
Ok... So I still don't know why I made less money for a longer flight. It doesn't seem to make any sense. Am I missing something here?
The ticket price is the same for both flights, so it isn't the issue here. I'm wondering if there's a bug that makes the income go crazy after
a certain point; I had a similar post when creating a company (I set the starting cash at something like $10 billion in scenario file and it
gave me something like -200,000,000!!).
Perhaps my computer just can't do math!!!
Re: Variances in Income - Ryanamur - 14-09-2005
Quote:crash_continental wrote:
Ok... So I still don't know why I made less money for a longer flight. It doesn't seem to make any sense. Am I missing something here?
Perhaps my computer just can't do math!!!
Because on both flights you reach the max income for distance/pax. IE if Dan set the max at 1250nm (I don't know if that's what it is, but it
could be around 1000). As soon as you it that mark you stop generating profits and start loosing money because of expenses.
Phil
Re: Variances in Income - crash_continental - 14-09-2005
Ah... I see, I see.
So what we're saying here is that you shouldn't fly legs more than, say 2000nm, because there's little money in them. Is that realistic?
Just wondering...