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[Suggestion] "Extreme Weather during approach" conditions - baoding - 18-03-2009
This is just a suggestion on changing the " extreme weather during approach, but a safe landing with satisfied passengers" award.
First of all, I'm using ASX, so the weather is constantly changing.
Personally, i don't think that a turbulence that occurred for maybe 1 minute can be called "Extreme weather", or just a bit of rain that lasted about
2 minutes( Because of ASX update) when i'm around 20 NM from touch down. They do not affect the landing at all, at least in my opinion. When you are
almost to touch down, or it lasts for a long time, that's when it starts to matter, not just any turbulence or rain at any time in your landing sequence.
However, I think heavy fog and/or low visibility SHOULD be included as an extreme weather approach. When the visibility is below 4NM, and you can
barely see anything, that DOES affect your landing. Especially if you are flying to an airport you never been to!
For some reason i don't know why this is not included. I mean it does not make it harder to control the plane for sure, but when you are landing at a
runway without ILS, or an ILS without glide slope, or a runway in the mountains, it's extremely difficult to see where the runway is, or how far you
are from it. That normally lead to crash, or a very hard landing.
I personally have crashed into the mountains in Tibet when attempting to land at Lhasa ( The airport is elevation is near 11500ft with mountains at
least 14000ft tall surrounding it at all sides). The hills are very sharp, and i cant see anything in front of me. When the GPWS starts to call
"Terrain Terrain" it's already too late to pull up, plus there's no way of pulling up 4000ft in a second when you are at approach speed of a 757,
which is around 140 knots...... You also can't just make a steep bank since i'm flying in a valley for the approach. This also happened once in
Dubai as well, i just randomly crashed into a hill i simply can't see, and ATC did not say anything about the existence of it.... (I had to say FSX's
ATC suck...they give you a low altitude for the approach, then a mountain just pop up outta no where and you crash...)
Also i think high wind speed during approach should be included as extreme weather as well. High winds don't always come with turbulence, but when the
wind is blowing you side ways at 30knots, it's kind of hard to land. But the flight report don't say anything about high winds....
Re: [Suggestion] "Extreme Weather during approach" conditions - Anastasios - 18-03-2009
Quote:baoding wrote:
...it's extremely difficult to see where the runway is, or how far you
are from it. That normally lead to crash, or a very hard landing.
I personally have crashed into the mountains in Tibet when attempting to land at Lhasa ( The airport is elevation is near 11500ft with
mountains at
least 14000ft tall surrounding it at all sides). The hills are very sharp, and i cant see anything in front of me. When the GPWS starts to call
"Terrain Terrain" it's already too late to pull up, plus there's no way of pulling up 4000ft in a second when you are at approach
speed of a 757,
which is around 140 knots...... You also can't just make a steep bank since i'm flying in a valley for the approach. This also happened
once in
Dubai as well, i just randomly crashed into a hill i simply can't see, and ATC did not say anything about the existence of it.... (I had to say
FSX's
ATC suck...they give you a low altitude for the approach, then a mountain just pop up outta no where and you crash...)
...
I'm so glad a real world pilot is not writing us this.
Anastasios.
Re: [Suggestion] "Extreme Weather during approach" conditions - Leftcoaster - 18-03-2009
Respectfully, need to disagree with Baoding. I do not think that the issue is whether conditions were that bad but rather that FsP
passengers, like RL passengers, tend to over-react to prevailing conditions (and in FsP they also tend to overeat but that's another issue
entirely). Peruse some of the posts over at airliners.net to see the typical reactions of those who complain about "severe
turbulance", "near misses" and "hard landings". Remember that the term "almost crashed" is really an oxymoron.
Passengers generally care nothing for weather minimums, difficult X-wind landings, shooting multi-NDB approaches or challenging
runway conditions. They care about being safe, on time (and in FsP, stuffed with their drinks, hot meals and sandwiches). Only when
something goes wrong do most consider the technical aspects of flying and even then their reaction is mostly steeped in myth and
ignorance. So FsP reacts to poor conditions flight more like a paying customer than a simulated pilot which I suspect is what it is
supposed to do.
I just think it works fine as is.
Just $0.02
Re: [Suggestion] - relichd - 19-03-2009
Baoding,
Use your plane's navigational instruments and consult your maps for every destination you fly to. And also, keep in mind that not all destinations are suitable for heavies like 757
Check your plane's and destination airport's minima.As for heavy fogs, winds, etc - severe weather conditions most often mean closing of the airport if not equipped with appropriate radio navigational
instrument to help a plane to land safely... Landing with a wind component of 30kts is -in most cases; depends on a plane (consult your aircraft OPS manual)- against safety rules and should be -in my opinion- penalised by FsP
Flight Sim ATC: a chapter on its own. It is a well known fact that FS ATC is very poor in areas with mountains. Either ignore ATC on your descend to destination and use the maps to guide you or get some add-on ATC - on the left side of this page there's a link to a nice one
I would never be able to land at LOWI using FS ATC as guidance for approach and landing... 
And one more thing: it's a flight sim and you can pause it at any time to figure out where you are!
Good luck!
David.
Post Edited ( 03-19-09 16:46 )
Re: [Suggestion] - Valoran - 19-03-2009
Radar Contact 4 allows pilots to select a NOTAMS approach. It's more realistic for mountain areas. They give you a general vector and
you fly the instrument approach allowing for terrain and traffic. If you spend any money on any payware at all, I recommend RC4 above
anything else, except maybe the Active Sky series. Go get it if you have the means.
edit: Payware that compliments FSPax of course.
Post Edited ( 03-21-09 03:47 )