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Bad result for arriving to early at destination - Florian Wassmann - 18-09-2008
Hallo again,
last time, I get a bad result of my flight for arriving to early at the destination (due to the wether and the approach-path). I know from my daily
work (reallife), that we often arrive up to a half hour before schedule and I've never heard some bad words by our guests about it. Often they are
very pleased to reach the holidays some minutes earlier.
I would like to suggest to find another sollution for it. Nevertheless I know, that otherwise there would be option to "cheat" a better result by
enter a much longer flighttime than necessary.
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - SkyAirWorld - 18-09-2008
Change the Arrival Time then, that will fix it up
Put it as what it "will" be
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - relichd - 18-09-2008
I agree with Florian. I always plan extra 20 - 30 minutes based on the size of departing/arriving airports to the calculated time of flight I get from
MSFS. I saw this hint somewhere here on this forum... But sometimes it happens, you get nice tail wind and straight approach...
Though, it might not be very plausible for customers to arrive two hours earlier and having to wait that more time for their connection I am sure
anybody would be very pleased to arrive sooner to the destination to avail for some shopping around or to come home early
I can understand passengers get mad when late, but in case of being half an hour early, I don't see a reason for the penalty from the customer's point
of view... Of course, penalty should apply from the airport for not keeping the time slots.
All that said, I'd suggest when you arrive early, the only penalty you get is from the airport (a fine of several hundreds of dollars and adequate
penalty points) but no complaints and lowered satisfaction from the customers....
Post Edited ( 09-18-08 18:04 )
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - poden - 18-09-2008
I don't care tor the early arrival penalty much; I think is pretty unrealistic. Every time I've had an early arrival, I've always been happy about
it. Even a VERY early arrival would be most welcome.
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - DanSteph - 18-09-2008
That might depend, if you bus/car/friend is also late and you wait 45mn for it maybe you'll not be so happy...
On a strict point of fairness you deserve a penalty anyway. With traffic growing aircraft not on slot are really a problem.
On a detail point you're right, should be a penalty from airport, not from passengers.
I'll see to modify that on FsPX.
Thanks for suggestions
Dan
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - relichd - 18-09-2008
Quote:DanSteph wrote:
That might depend, if you bus/car/friend is also late and you wait 45mn for it maybe you'll not be so happy...
You can get a cup of coffee and you're done
Anyway, thanks for considering the changes...
David.
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - DanSteph - 18-09-2008
After some tought:
Of course this is true for relative short period, if one 2 hours flight I arrive 45 minute before I'll really start to
have doubt about seriousness of company... I might wonder if they will not make the same mistake while loading fuel ?
As in Fs you cannot be late or early du to external constraint not depending of yourself the "game" is fair anyway.
Dan
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - relichd - 18-09-2008
Agreed. Well, let's consider adjusting the time buffer for passengers to get mad about early arrival to 30 minutes before planner arrival time. This
would cover those "surprises" with straight-from-the-route approaches... Of course, you'd still be liable to fines from the airport
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - the_nick - 18-09-2008
but if you arrive to early it is possible that there is still another airplane on your terminal , wich will result in that you probably have to go to
another gate and start blocking there another aircraft and so on , until you've reached the point that it's 1 big bowl of soup with meatballs
in.
E:
for time planning I use fsnavigator. when I fly from the *west to the east I take the flight time fsnav. gives me , if I fly from **east to west I add 30 minutes more. why do I do this : when you take real world weather and you fly the first * then you have tail wind and with the second ** you will have head wind.
(I'm talking about a flight from EBBR to ZBAA 9.30h and ZBAA to EBBR 10.00 )
depends also on the plane
Post Edited ( 09-18-08 18:51 )
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - relichd - 18-09-2008
I know how it works... But it happens every day even in the real world. That's why you're fined by the airport. Not to mention that there's always a
place you can put the aircraft
Half an hour is not that early....Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - Florian Wassmann - 18-09-2008
Thank you for your good discussion about this topic.
A fine for arrive ahead of scheduled time would be a better solution. In my daily work, I know that there were only a very marginal number of guest
who complain about a early arrival.
In case of canceling the rule of a bad result for arriving ahead of scheduled time, cheating should be prevented by FSP. Otherwise it would be
possible to use a enter a long long flighttime for a short trip, for getting better results anyway. But how to do it?
My Suggestion would be, to implement a (very simple !!!) calculator for the normal flight times between the choosen airports with the choosen
aircraft. The maximum speed could be read from Aircraft.cfg. It should not be complicated. The easiest way could be to take 90% of maximum speed and
calculate the flighttime of the direct way. Now add some minutes due to the normal non-direct flight path. Afterwards the value should be increased by
15 minutes for approach and start.
For example 500 kts for 1000 nm means about 2:00 flight time. For the non-direct path, we should add some minutes -> 2:05. And last but not least - 15
minutes for landing and starting -> 2:20. In real life a flight from Hanover to Mallorca with an Airbus A 320 normaly takes between 1:55 to 2:30. Not
a bad calculation I think.
But back to FSP. If you reach your final destination ahead of this time - nothing will happen in your results - but happy passengers. Depending of
being later than 110%, 125%,... of the calculated flighttime, passengers could be more and more angry. Nevertheless we just have the busy controllers,
but this is nothing else than in real life
I agree with you, that for future flights I may should calculate the influence of the weather conditions in a better way to find the best time.
best regards
Post Edited ( 09-19-08 01:02 )
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - poden - 19-09-2008
All very true; while I as a passenger am typically happy to be early, the airport sure isn't.
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - Leftcoaster - 20-09-2008
Florian Wassmann wrote:
Quote:My Suggestion would be, to implement a (very simple !!!) calculator for the normal flight times between the choosen airports withThis might work for you but it is entirely unreasonable for those of us who use FsP with classic and vintage aircraft and procedures.
the choosen aircraft. The maximum speed could be read from Aircraft.cfg. It should not be complicated. The easiest way could be to take
90% of maximum speed and calculate the flighttime of the direct way. Now add some minutes due to the normal non-direct flight path.
Afterwards the value should be increased by
15 minutes for approach and start.
Flying historical airways of the 30's and 40's means that routes are very seldom direct and decents from altitude are often conducted in a
holding pattern over the initial approach fix at the destination. This necessary flight time must be added to the enroute time that is already
increased by the frequent lack of direct routing from point to point.
For some of us this penalty is an FsP problem that doesn't exist but your fix would sure create one.
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - SkyAirWorld - 20-09-2008
Quote:poden wrote: while I as a passenger am typically happy to be early, the airport sure isn't.
Well While I as a Pilot am typically very happy to arrive early (as is the company usually), the Airports usually arent too happy either, you
can usually always hear the tone in the voice when they're busy and we're early....
Re: Bad result for arriving to early at destination - XM DUDE - 21-09-2008
I think you should get points for arriving early.