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[Closed] Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - HB-100 - 26-09-2006
I will just get another overspeed penalty because of wind-change ( FL 320) with automatic real-weather updated.
I don't like to disable that penalty because I think it's right to fly in the safe limits. However if you fly 5 or 10 knts
above for 2-3 minutes the
plane will not desintegrate and a penalty of 600 is really nonsense then. IMO
Also I don't see it as a solution to fly 20knts slower just because this problem or disable real weather update.
So if something is disturbing to me in FsPassanger then it's this stong handle of the speed limit because as you see you can
not well
avoid it with real weather updates.
Can't FSPassanger handle that a little more tolerant?
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - Dutch64 - 26-09-2006
A speed limit is there for a good reason. 600 points is not even enough penalty if you ask me
Anyhow, do you use fsuipc or AS6? If so, use wind smoothing etc, it will prevent 99% of the troubles
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - Mac - 26-09-2006
is wind smoothing a feature of the full fsuipc?
I'm tight...
Post Edited ( 09-27-06 00:54 )
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - HB-100 - 27-09-2006
fsuipc (unregistered) i run because aismooth but both doesnt really work right. as6 i don't know.
no limit is without a security reserve
if i would break the limit by intention i could accept that but thats not the case.
i fly 300ias at FL320 (mach0.79/ 0.80) which should be a normal travel speed setting for an A320 as much as i know.
The overspeed is at 312ias on this altitude at least thats when fs9 indicates it.
the wind changed after atuomatic weather update and I had 320ias for 1 minute till the speed autopilot leveled it down to 300 again.
This is not really a pilot error you have to penalty with 600 point's as I see it but a problem of the 15min weather update.
I think FsP should consider fs9 program weakness when giving hard penalty. It should judge the pilot and not the program faults.
but that's my opinion.
The alternative's I have is eighter to disable weather update or disable the penalty. Both what I dont really like, next to flying far low the
capability of the Airbus320 what I really dont't see as a good option.
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - HB-100 - 27-09-2006
just checked see no option/checkbox in for windsmoothing in fsuipc but as i say i use it unregistered.
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - HB-100 - 27-09-2006
so, landed in the middle of nowhere (marshall Islands):
http://www.fspassengers.com/?action=va&listflight=77855
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8085/hb100flightnrr20picr1wc1.jpg
with 600 points penalty
at least I enjoyed my highspeed descend with overspeed (till 10'00 0feet) done with intention..
to at least have something for the 600points
but a pitty that I forgot that fs9's ATC is not guiding well when the sinkrate does not fit to the speed. I had to do an extra turn to
decrease the altitude left!
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - Dutch64 - 27-09-2006
I thinkk for fsuipc you need the registered version for wind and pressure smoothing. AS6 has also this option. The default weather features of fs9 are
'buggy' and to prevent overspeed conditions like these you will have to use a margin yourself like 10 or 20 knts.
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - Sovek - 27-09-2006
Dutch, Not even 10 or 20 is enough, I was almost sent into a spin by those wind changes once. You do need the full version of FSUIPC in order to get
wind smoothing.
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - Ceemosp - 02-10-2006
Wind smoothing is a MUST to have as those errant wind changes can ruin your day. While your at it buying it: If you happen to have an old
pc you can connect it to your FS9 machine through a local network using WideFS and run programs such as FS-Navigator or Active Sky on
it THUS taking workload of your pc
Buying BOTH progs at the same time saves you €10,-
otherwise it's €20,- for each one of them !Greetz Carsten
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - XM DUDE - 03-10-2006
Quote:HB-100 wrote:
I will just get another overspeed penalty because of wind-change ( FL 320) with automatic real-weather updated.
I don't like to disable that penalty because I think it's right to fly in the safe limits. However if you fly 5 or 10 knts above for 2-3 minutes the
plane will not desintegrate and a penalty of 600 is really nonsense then. IMO
Also I don't see it as a solution to fly 20knts slower just because this problem or disable real weather update.
So if something is disturbing to me in FsPassanger then it's this stong handle of the speed limit because as you see you can not well
avoid it with real weather updates.
Can't FSPassanger handle that a little more tolerant?
I agree, it should be based on the severity of the airspeed violation as in turbulence you can over speed for a couple of seconds and not
know it in time to slow down CAT can sneak up on you.
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - HB-100 - 03-10-2006
I have reduced to 290 ias. The most time I have my 455knt GS target at FL320 and so far i did not run into overspeed problem since
some flights. It all depends on the wind up there.
I also had less aircraft damages. Which is fine, so I could collect some money ..for the next gear failure. :/
About buying additional stuff. I still today resisted to buy anithing with credits card over the net and so buying additional stuff is a little
more trouble some. I don't think I need it.
FsX comes with a continues day. Maybe microsoft managed to integrate smooth wind and smooth AI-ATC?So in half a year or year the
problem is probabily solved.
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - HB-100 - 06-10-2006
Found a better solution.
Edited the .cfg file of the aircraft:
-> Max speed limit (IAS and mach) + 11%
So I have 11% spaceing for windchanges and can still flyt with the appropiate cruising speed (455gs) of that aircraft that is also entered
in the aircraft cfg file and used by the flight planer.
You see all the problem is becuase the fs2004 flightplaner calculates time based on that crusing speed. I use that time for my flighttime
calculation. Can do it very well with that but so there is a need for me to hold that 455gs whenever possible.
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - gomelby - 01-12-2006
I got the same problem yesterday, in fact i was flying 30 kn below the limit, and stil i overspeed due to wind change, it was only for few
seconds, but i got the penalty anyways this is really annoying especially since I was flying below the limit, I dont think I'll use real weather
anymore.
Regards
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - Anastasios - 01-12-2006
I think it's good that there is an overspeed penalty. But it should bea bit flexible just like the 250knots penalty. If you fly 260 you won't get a
penalty. Maybe it should have a time limit, like 10 seconds or so. That you have a chance to reduce the speed.
Anastasios.
Re: Overspeed penalty not tolerant enough (IMO) - American Jet - 01-12-2006
Quote:Dutch64 wrote:It doesn't matter which version you have, it has to be the latest inregistered version of FSUIPC for it to smooth the winds.
I thinkk for fsuipc you need the registered version for wind and pressure smoothing. AS6 has also this option. The default weather
features of fs9 are
'buggy' and to prevent overspeed conditions like these you will have to use a margin yourself like 10 or 20 knts.