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Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - clut - 21-06-2005
Hi, I've just been scanning the flight logs of Dan and all the beta testers so far, and it looks fantastic, but a thought occured to me when I
clicked on a flight to get more details and saw this at the bottom :
-Forgetting to set the proper flaps during take-off is an extremely dangerous fault and does not show proper piloting skills. (-300)
I'm glad that if the pilot forgets to do something he is penalised, but does FSP tell us what the flap setting should have been?
In other words, what if the pilot did not set the flaps on take-off because he simply does not know what settings he should use. Does FSP
tell us what settings to use?? (i.e. in a checklist or something)
Also, the actual flight I looked at was flown in a Cessna 182. If you have a long runway, you may decide to not use any stage of flap for
takeoff, but if you only have a short runway, you may HAVE to use flap... does FSP take this into account, or does it simply have rules
defined for each aircraft regardless of situation?
Post Edited ( 06-21-05 12:09 )
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - jboweruk - 21-06-2005
Flaps is largely to do with weight as well as anything else. On a normally loaded 737 for example norm seems to be 5 degrees. On a
heavily laden 747 you may (rarely) need full flaps. Normally I think for a 744 it's around 10 degrees but don't quote me on that.
All information on flaps should be in the performance charts for the relevant a/c. For default planes look in the learning centre and bring
up the aircraft data sheets. For add-ons like the PMDG you would need to look in the relevant manual/pdf file.
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - SWAFO - 21-06-2005
Takeoff flaps are set based on varying performance issues. Like John mentioned, Flaps 5 is used 99% of the time and is the norm here
on the 737's. For different models of the 737, different flap settings can be used at takeoff. Since John referenced the PMDG 737 (-700),
the flap settings approved for takeoff on that model are: Flaps 1, 5, 10, 15, 25. Flaps 1 will be used when we need improved climb
performance after takeoff, and higher than normal V-speeds (for windshear, long runways, etc.) The higher flaps settings (10,15, and 25)
are used when we need to get in the air in a hurry. These provide the slowest V-speeds, and get us into the air the fastest. They're not
very efficient for fast rates of climb due to the drag they create.
Hope this helps somewhat.
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - rchwallace - 28-06-2005
Hello,
For info, the 744 uses flap, 5, 10 or 20 for departure, never 30. Flap 25 and 30 on 744 and 777 aircraft are only landing flap. 777 normally
uses flap 5 or 15 for departure.
Rgds
Ron
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - clut - 28-06-2005
that's cool to have that information here, it helps us all become better pilots, but does FSP follow those same rules.
for example, if FSP has a rule saying :
IF plane = 744 AND flaps ARE NOT 5 or 10 THEN penalise pilot.
so in english, FSP wants flaps 5 or 10 on takeoff for a 744, but if we use 20 it penalises us. we think 20 is ok, fsp doesn't. Does FSP tell
us what values are acceptable.
for example:
You took off using 20' of flap in a 744. Acceptable values are 5 or 10.
Because if FSP does not tell us what it thinks the acceptable values are, then we'll keep making the same mistakes, and we'll have to
keep changing the settings and hoping we'll get it right, becaues we don't know what FSP wants them to be.
NOTE:
The example above is purely fictional. I am in no position to say FSP requires flaps at 5 or 10' for takeoff in a 744. The figures are purely
there to illustrate a point.
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - DanSteph - 28-06-2005
the FSP flap penalty is trivial... zero will give you penalty any other value are ok...
this is because FSP can't hold the 50'000 flight manual of any existing aircrafts
(or even the 100 most flyed) to look about flaps value.
And even with the manual flaps value depend of landing strip lenght, air
temperature and few others value... so it's impossible to guess the correct
value for any aircraft... (well we might do that but in this case it would be half
of the code of an add-on and may take month to work accurately (if it work )
For extremely rare aircraft that require no flaps you may disable the flaps penalty in
more_option.cfg
So don't forget to set any flap at take-off or landing (you would be surprised
to look into the VA report that somes peoples forgot them)
Dan
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - Steve - 30-06-2005
What about for GA aircraft that don't need flap to take-off? Will FsP penalise us for doing like we would in the real world (I hardly ever use
flap on the tomahawks I fly when taking off on a longish runway).
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - DanSteph - 30-06-2005
Quote:Steve wrote:
What about for GA aircraft that don't need flap to take-off? Will FsP penalise us for doing like we would in the real world (I hardly ever use
flap on the tomahawks I fly when taking off on a longish runway).
in this case you might simply disable this penalty in the more_option config file.
Dan
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - Steve - 30-06-2005
So basically, take-off with flap regardless of conditions? Unless you like editing config files.
Ok
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - Gibbmusic - 30-06-2005
Back to original topic though...does the FSP manual tell you all the circumstances that will cause a penalty in FSP or is this left up to trial
and error. On the same token, does the manual give suggestions for how to acquire bonus points as well?
Gibbmusic
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - DanSteph - 30-06-2005
Quote:Gibbmusic wrote:
Back to original topic though...does the FSP manual tell you all the circumstances that will cause a penalty in FSP or is this left up to trial
and error. On the same token, does the manual give suggestions for how to acquire bonus points as well?
Gibbmusic
Sure.... section 5 of the doc:
Code:
5 - How to make a perfect flight and avoid penalties
5A - Default penalty
5B - Optional penalty
5C - Disable default penalty by config file
5D – Getting a bonus, make an exceptional flightDan
Re: Does FSP tell us how to stop being penalised?? - Gibbmusic - 30-06-2005
Great!
Gibbmusic