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The longer the flight the less money - Randahard - 30-10-2005
It's seems odd to me that the longer the flight the less money I make. I have found that 1500nm is about the peak for money in a 747.
Anything more than that and the fuel cost bite into any profit. Is this normal or is something I'm doing wrong?
Re: The longer the flight the less money - DBE - 30-10-2005
Perfectly normal: imagine your income would be proportional to the distance you fly.
You would be earning an outrageous amount for transatlantic flights as opposed to city hops.
Re: The longer the flight the less money - smartboy4 - 31-10-2005
So fly many 10mins hops and you get millions :D
Re: The longer the flight the less money - MattNW - 31-10-2005
Try upping your ticket prices for longer flights to cover the added fuel cost. Remember you can't purchase a ticket from JFK to Denver for
the same price as one from Chicago to Cincinatti in real life. FSP requires business skills as well as piloting skills. If you are loosing
money on fuel for long flights then you will have to make it up somewhere else. Fuel is a cost that you must cover somehow. Maybe try
bumping up fuel, food and drinks. Might get less customer squawk that way. Charge as much as the market will bear is an old business
saying.
Re: The longer the flight the less money - Fritz Bayerlein - 31-10-2005
In my 757 the farther I fly the more money I make. I love it!
Re: The longer the flight the less money - bvl - 31-10-2005
Is this really true? Do i really have to change the ticket prices manually? Isn't the ticket price only a "price level" and the real ticket income
is calculated taking the flown distance into account?
Bodo
Re: The longer the flight the less money - Ryanamur - 31-10-2005
The reason why your profits seem to evaporate on longer flights is quite simple: there is a ceiling to what passengers are willing to pay.
Once you reach that ceiling, you stop generating income and you just burn fuel.
Let's say that the ceiling is based on 1000 NM (don't ask me, I don't know). As soon as you pass that point, people stop paying for their
tickets. When you think about it, it makes sense.
Phil
Re: The longer the flight the less money - Dutch64 - 31-10-2005
Quote:Ryanamur wrote:
Let's say that the ceiling is based on 1000 NM (don't ask me, I don't know). As soon as you pass that point, people stop paying for their
tickets. When you think about it, it makes sense.
Phil
No, doesn't make sense
Sometimes pax would like to fly further than 1000nm.... It happens! And they will pay because there is not really analternative
Re: The longer the flight the less money - Jetflyer - 31-10-2005
It depends on the plane's seat mile cost. A Boeing 707 for example makes terrible money on a two hour flight because the prices of tickets for that
distance cannot justify the fuel consumption. At the other extreme, a 7 hour flight makes bad money in a 707 because the ticket price is only so much
higher on longer flights but the fuel consumption in total is much higher off-setting the income. A 4 hour flight is about optimym on a 707 therefore
because the ratio of ticket income/fuel expenditure gives the best revenue at this length. So it depends entirely on the aircraft as to how good the
money is on flights of a certain length, although the pattern described above happens to a certain extent with all aircraft.
Re: The longer the flight the less money - poden - 01-11-2005
OK, here's a question then. Does FSP only credit you with the "great circle distance" between the point of departure and destination to compute
billable and pilot-credited miles. I just flew a rather crooked route from Lima Peru, to Conception, Chile, which in the flight plan showed as about
1900 NM. The route purposefully detoured over Lake Titikaka and some of the higher Andes for sightseeing, and avoiding prohibited areas. In the
end-flight log, I only got credit for about 1500 NM, and the income was therefore less than expected.
Re: The longer the flight the less money - Dutch64 - 01-11-2005
Just wondering, what was your income? I did a 1300 nm flight today with an A340 and i got something like 21.000.000 or so.
Re: The longer the flight the less money - poden - 01-11-2005
Quote:Dutch64 wrote:
Just wondering, what was your income? I did a 1300 nm flight today with an A340 and i got something like 21.000.000 or so.
Well, there's no comparison. I'm flying a Pilatus PC-12, just a 9-seat turboprop. Doing a world tour in it with FSP. The income was about 900K, but
it was less than I expected, and as I said, the end-flight dialogue only gave me credit for about 1500 NM, when the flight plan had it as 1900 NM.
I'm wondering if part of the problem is in how the miles from departure to destination are computed in FSP.
Re: The longer the flight the less money - Sovek - 01-11-2005
Its direct, not for taking the long way around.
Re: The longer the flight the less money - pagir - 01-11-2005
Yes, as Sovek said, it's direct. Otherwise, you could fly from New York to Boston with a little hook to Chicago and earn the money for the
New York-Chicago-Boston flight even if your PAX just want NY-Boston... For now, there is no "sight seeing bonus".
Pagir