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Re: - Tracker801 - 06-05-2009
Joey never actually had any pax IRL 
Thank God for that
Re: - Joeflyer - 07-05-2009
Quote:Tracker801 wrote:
Thank God for that
True that for the past 15 years...boxes don't moan, groan and complain about everything
Re: - H3rn3s3 - 07-05-2009
After many tires blowing, I seem to have found a fool-proof way of landing without blowing your tires.
I've only tried this in a 737-800 so far.
Anyway.
Use ILS to bring you to the runway. AFTER the autopilot is controlling your descent towards the runway, make sure your speed is 135kt . As you get
close to the runway, reduce your speed to 125kt.
When you fly over the THRESHOLD (was around 500/400ft for me) of the runway, pause the sim. Set your altitude to 0000, your vertical speed to -200 and
your heading to dead ahead.
Switch from approach mode to Altitude/heading mode and unpause. Your plane should gently touch down on the runway, with all tires intact.
As soon as your main gear touches the runway, disable autopilot and get the nose down. Use reverse thrust and brakes 'till you're slow enough. Win!
I forgot the autospoilers and autobrakes when I tried this, don't know if it will affect the landing.
I landed at -70ft/m when using this, in bad weather.
Tell me how it goes if anyone tries this.
Re: - jetEnglandDotCom - 07-05-2009
H3rn3s3,
epic win for you
Next time though - try doing it without the pause =p
Re: - H3rn3s3 - 12-05-2009
Correction. Switching to altitude/heading @ 100ft AGL usually does a perfect landing.
Re: - relichd - 13-05-2009
Quote:H3rn3s3 wrote:
After many tires blowing, I seem to have found a fool-proof way of landing without blowing your tires.
I've only tried this in a 737-800 so far.
Anyway.
Use ILS to bring you to the runway. AFTER the autopilot is controlling your descent towards the runway, make sure your speed is 135kt . As you get
close to the runway, reduce your speed to 125kt.
When you fly over the THRESHOLD (was around 500/400ft for me) of the runway, pause the sim. Set your altitude to 0000, your vertical speed to -200 and
your heading to dead ahead.
Switch from approach mode to Altitude/heading mode and unpause. Your plane should gently touch down on the runway, with all tires intact.
As soon as your main gear touches the runway, disable autopilot and get the nose down. Use reverse thrust and brakes 'till you're slow enough. Win!
I forgot the autospoilers and autobrakes when I tried this, don't know if it will affect the landing.
I landed at -70ft/m when using this, in bad weather.
Tell me how it goes if anyone tries this.
Hmmm... This is good for someone using the keyboard to control the aircraft. Not to mention that this kind of approach has very little in common with
flying. Not all runways/aircraft are fitted with modern avionics/radio systems for full auto-land. What you suggest is literally a 'somewhat
controlled terrain collision' piloting
'Using the reverse thrust and brakes till you're slow enough' is again a violation of safety rules - once at 80kts you MUST disengage reversers
otherwise you risk foreign object to be sucked into the engines, damaging them and maybe causing fire and putting your passengers into harm's way... I
presume you're flying with FsPassengers engaged so you most probably will get penalty points for reversers active below 80 kts...
As for the speeds, even B737-800 can land at different speeds depending on the landing weight. Reducing/increasing the speed during the approach phase
will result into unstable approach and as such should lead to go around situation. This is because when changing the speed, the engines have to deal
with it. Jet engines are slower to respond to speed changes so it may happen that your engine will run at over 60% N1 thrust where it is recommended
to 'final-approach' at 40 - 60 % of N1, which is the maximum to make a pilot sure engines do cut off in time for the flare and touch down.
I know, I know, again, there's someone here saying that flying other way than 'as-close-as-it-gets-to-real' is the thing you should be considering
(instead of finding strange ways to avoid tyre blows) but hey isn't it why we all love to do it?
Good luck!
David.
Re: - H3rn3s3 - 13-05-2009
Well.. anyone knows to disengage reversers at a certain speed, but I believe it's 60knts?
Re: - whiskey-zulu - 13-05-2009
Thrust reversers should be stowed at 60 knots, yes.
Re: - Anastasios - 13-05-2009
In real life they can used well below 60 knots. But in FsP it is 60 knots. (I noticed that it is ok to use them a bit below that speed, you won't
get penalized).
Check this video:
http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/tasso85/?action=view¤t=DSCN0669.flv
Reverser used well below 60 knots... 40... 30...
Also notice that the co-pilot says: 'Speedbrake up' after touchdown and not 'Reverse thrust set'.
Anastasios.
Post Edited ( 05-13-09 10:12 )
Re: - SkyAirWorld - 13-05-2009
Reverse thrust is also in Real Life used to push back aswell in some aircraft/ ports.
Re: - relichd - 13-05-2009
Quote:SkyAirWorld wrote:
Reverse thrust is also in Real Life used to push back aswell in some aircraft/ ports.
This is true for propellers but I've never seen/read a jet reversing to perform a push back...
Re: - relichd - 13-05-2009
Quote:H3rn3s3 wrote:
Well.. anyone knows to disengage reversers at a certain speed, but I believe it's 60knts?
Well.. I was fined for having reversers set while at speed of 60 - 80 knots...
Re: - whiskey-zulu - 14-05-2009
Quote:relichd wrote:
Quote:SkyAirWorld wrote:
Reverse thrust is also in Real Life used to push back aswell in some aircraft/ ports.
This is true for propellers but I've never seen/read a jet reversing to perform a push back...
There's a vid of a Northwest DC-9 using them to push back on youtube; will see if I can find the link again
Re: - SkyAirWorld - 14-05-2009
Yes, sorry, for Props only. Probably should have specified that.
Re: - whiskey-zulu - 14-05-2009
Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID3jfc39x3E