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Re: Suggestion to extra feature - Capt. Wotan - 22-02-2006
Oh fun discussion
I use time acceleration all the time on flights over 1 hr, i just don't have the time to sit in front of the computer for 4 hrs (well unless i get
paid for it like at work). There are many things that are cheats within flight sim, i went RL flying this weekend, i didn't see a pause button
(although i looked really hard).
However, i rather like the idea Drew had, log only the time that you actually fly, so DON'T log any time that you are on Autopilot, since you aren't
actually flying, you might argue that real aeroplanes have autopilots, but that isn't really the point, it's about the flying.
Re: Suggestion to extra feature - Drew - 22-02-2006
pause button is just under tha ap button on a 737
but, tell me, what does the pause button actually do to 'help' you? it does not gain you more hours or points or anything?
as for your hand flying, yes real planes do have ap as you say, and its there to assist you in flying, - try telling a RW pilot that they cant log
there time that they are on AP, and see what reply you get.
as i said you gain nothing from using pause, you gain ALOT from using time accel
can i also just say a few points.
1. everything i say is just my opinion
2. everyone is free to use time accel if they wish, its there choice
3. you have bought this program, use it however you want
4. im not trying to cause an argument by saying u cant use Time accel, its more a discussion and peoples opinion
Re: Suggestion to extra feature - Drew - 22-02-2006
Quote:Covoxer wrote:
Othervice, you should not talk about how realistic your flying is, since you skip a lot of real world issues.
So, if you skip some, then what's the point to blame others for ignoring something else?
if this is aimed at me in particular, i have never said i fly just like i would in the real world., i throw out my pax anywhere, dont shut down
engines when done etc, im not doing this for a 'real as you get' experiance
Re: Suggestion to extra feature - Stentor - 22-02-2006
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i throw out my pax anywhere,
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Absolutely, If I am on the minute for getting the arrival right those suckers are lucky if I get off the runway!!
Re: Suggestion to extra feature - Capt. Wotan - 22-02-2006
Quote:but, tell me, what does the pause button actually do to 'help' you? it does not gain you more hours or points or anything?It's kindda the opposite to Time Acceleration, it gains you nothing within FSP, but if you need to pop out or take a phone call, you can stick the sim
on pause and come back to it. Rather like time accelaration it takes away the realism, it doesn't make you a better pilot, neither does autopiliot,
or time acceleration.
Quote:as for your hand flying, yes real planes do have ap as you say, and its there to assist you in flying, - try telling a RW pilot that they cant logTry telling a RL pilot to stick the flight on pause while you grab a beer
there time that they are on AP, and see what reply you get.
Quote:as i said you gain nothing from using pause, you gain ALOT from using time accelYou really only gain time from using time accel, you can play with time anyway within FS, if i don't like night flying i can change the time of day,
is this also cheating. I always T/O and land manually, i fly the cruise on AP using Time Accel, always going straight back to manual if there are any
problems.
Quote:1. everything i say is just my opinionUnderstood, all the above is just mine
Quote:2. everyone is free to use time accel if they wish, its there choice...Thanks and i'll continue using it
Quote:3. you have bought this program, use it however you wantHooray
Quote:4. im not trying to cause an argument by saying u cant use Time accel, its more a discussion and peoples opinionWhoever said it was, i actually think that your suggestion was quite good
Re: Suggestion to extra feature - SaVas - 22-02-2006
In essence I am cheating too, because a lot of the planes I "fly" in the sim have either virtual cabins or wings built behind the VC, and a lot
of times on long flights I move my view to a cabin window or over the wing so I play the virtual passenger. The autopilot is flying for me, so
I am free to move around the plane
Re: Suggestion to extra feature - KenG - 24-02-2006
Quote:maybe your meaning is that you dont want to do full flights, as you do them in real life, so you want to accelerate the cruise???
Drew,
I guess this is what I get when I only have a few minutes to write my thoughts. Sometimes they get posted "half baked." But you hit it on the head, I do not have time nor will power to fly FSP at cruise in real time. What is a Captain doing during cruise? Not that much, and on a long cruise leg I can still knock out my cruise items a 4x. Prior to reaching my TOD I do switch back to 1X. This way everything is stabilized and normal for the descent and arrival.
I have been to the FAA Certified Level D simulator a number of times, and never have we practiced cruise flight. If the Instructor wanted to show us some stuff at altitude we would zoom to altitude, if we need to practice something at another airport we would reposition to another airport.
Basically we would maximize our simulator time to conduct the training required. I think of MSFS as the same way. People are not cheating, but
maximizing their time that they have with the simulator to get the experience they desire. Sure they could just perform another 2 hour flight between KJFK and KATL or by using the accel feature they can experience a Transatlantic flight and the different procedures required for planning, flying and the approaches that a trip over the pond offers.
Sure I see the people on this board who claim 2X flying legends with FSP. That is 822 hours worth of flying, or over 9 months of flying for pilots
who fly 90 hours per month. I don't think FSP has even been out for 9 months yet and I know it has not been out for 18 months. Go ahead and claim that you have reached C23 twelve times; it still does not matter to me. If running to the top of the ladder a number of times is how you choose to maximize FSP then go for it. If buying, repairing and selling aircraft is how you choose to maximize FSP then again go for it. I'll continue to use FSP as I
see fit .
Post Edited ( 02-24-06 09:29 )
Re: Suggestion to extra feature - Covoxer - 24-02-2006
Let me remind you that we are not talking about how someone should or should not use FsP.
It's obvious fact that does not need any arguments.
But the question here is about what is cheating and what is not.
Like in this case, for example, Drew claims that using time acceleration is a cheat, while I say that it is not.
It is pointless to say that everyone has to use FsP the way he likes, since all of us agree about that.
Besides, this particular discussion have brought interesting idea from Drew (at least I find it interesting) how to deal with time
acceleration in FsP.
I think that Dan should consider it's implementation in next releases.
Re: Suggestion to extra feature - Full_Throttle0 - 25-02-2006
hmm I just Time accelerated through all these posts that are comparing real life and a game.
I Guess you really can time accelrate in real life.
What i want to figure out is how to disable slew and map moving penalty. spend 5 sec moving my piper cub from Kjfk to hong kong (in
reality i would use a big airplane or a fake payload model (999999 pax on c172))
Re: Suggestion to extra feature - CowlFlapsOpen - 02-03-2006
I say again: The word cheat is a poor choice. The only one cheated is yourself. I don't accellerate time and don't do anything that wouldn't happen
in real life if I can help it. These are just my preferences and I don't impose them on others. Clever enough people could probably find ways to
circumvent all of the challenges that FsP imposes on flying (penalties, incentives, and the like). If they were really clever they could probably
reduce the program to the point that it didn't matter at all and they could fly how, when, where they wanted without consequence. Which would be
precisely the point they were at before they purchased the program. But what is the point then? I might call them silly but I wouldn't call them
cheaters.
While we're on the subject however, I'm suprised there is not much more discussion of the fuel workaround. This one bugs me. Because you only are
charged for the fuel you burn, there is little disincentive (as it would be i the real world) to be frugal about filling up with fuel. If weight
permits, you can take on as much fuel as you like to avoid falling below the 45-minute reserve. If you land with way too much fuel, no harm done.
The program doesn't care and it is not reflected in your costs of the flight. I try to load just enough fuel to have only 1 hour reserve left when I
land. Although the program has no penalty for this, I feel bad if I overestimate. But I don't call those who routinely land with extra fuel "cheaters".
Cheers all.
Re: Suggestion to extra feature - Covoxer - 02-03-2006
CowlFlapsOpen:
Quote:The word cheat is a poor choice.Well, it is the way such things are called.
I can't see why this can be a poor chice.
Do you have any better name for this?
Quote:The only one cheated is yourself.Actually, your cheat a program.
But that's not a point. Why is it so important to find the victum of the cheat?
The cheat is a cheat as long as you work around the rules. That's it!
Quote:I might call them silly but I wouldn't call them cheaters.Well, some cheaters are silly, but there are some very smart, believe me
One can get some real world advantages even cheating in the FsP.
For example, person that has developed many C23 pilots can gain more reputation and respect in the community of his VA, for example.
And that is important for many people... Just recall the Brad...
Now to the fuel point:
Quote:The program doesn't care and it is not reflected in your costs of the flight.Directly, it doesn't.
But if you take a lot of redundant fuel, you will be able to take less cargo which will result in less profits.
It works this way!
Quote:Although the program has no penalty for this, I feel bad if I overestimate.Well, I think that such a penalty would be interesting.
But maybe it would be simplier to just dump all unused fuel, so that you have to pay for all the fuel you have, not only for the amout that
you burn during fligt.
What do you think?
