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This is in part related to this thread: http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/showth...p?tid=3812 and the general problem of "blowing tires at
landing".

As the main problem is most of the times the vertical landing speed, it would be useful to train only landings and see every time the vertical landing
speed at touchdown. FPSX does that at the end of each flight and also the FSX recorder provides this information, but this solution is better as it
works in real-time and you do not need to setup a FSPX flight or even pause the sim. Here's how:

1) Download the following freeware gauge: http://library.avsim.net/search.php?Sear...&Go=Search from avsim.net.

2) Install the gauge: just drop the .gau file found in the archive into the GAUGES folder of FSX.

3) Then you need to edit the panel.cfg of the aircraft you are using by adding a new window. The panel.cfg can be edited with any text editor
(e.g.notepad) and it is located in the PANEL folder of the aircraft you are using. Make a backup first just in case.

In order to add a new window, you need to add this:

WindowNN=OWS

To the list of windows of your aircraft. Look in panel.cfg for a text section called "[Window Titles]" and just add another line at the end. Save the
file and you are done. NOTE: replace NN with a valid window number. This depends on the number of windows your aircraft has, so I can't tell you in
advance, you have to look for it (one window may be used for the radio stack, another for the GPS etc etc).

and this, just after the new line:

[WindowNN]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=250,100
position=4
visible=0
ident=OWS
gauge00=ows_runwayroll_20!ows_runwayroll_20, 0,0, 250,100


Now, let's say you have chosen NN=04. Start FSX as usual, it will ask you whether you trust the new gauge (say yes), then select your aircraft and
take-off. Before landing, just press SHIFT+5 (to activate the Window), then arm the gauge (press the green button on the left), select "TD VS" and
either "FPM" or "MPM" as unit (with the little white buttons) and land. The gauge will display the vertical landing speed until you touch down and
then it will freeze recording the touch-down vertical speed. Take-off, arm the gauge again and land... Practice makes perfect!

The gauge provides also additional functions, just read the text file in the archive if you want to know more.

Cheers,

DareDevil

That, or simply monitor the VSI that is present in 99% of the aircraft........

Quote:DeepSpace wrote:
That, or simply monitor the VSI that is present in 99% of the aircraft........

Sure, but that gauge records the VSI at touchdown.

After using it for a while, I have discovered that even subtle stick actions, or a difference of a few knots in the speed make an huge difference in
term of final result (I am talking about VSI at touchdown as low as 20 fpm as opposed to floating between 100 and 150 fpm).

You can't appreciate that with a normal VSI indicator... Try it and you will see how two 100% similar approaches can be vastly different in terms of
final VSI.

DareDevil

Agreed, DareDevil...practise makes perfect.

It basically boils down to a few things:

- think ahead of the plane
- fly by the numbers
- do NOT panic :p

There are on the other hand situations when you want to thump down the AC, such as contaminated runway, severe crosswinds.

=> http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=uaKbRbqz...xt_from=PL

A greaser isn't always the best idea although the paxes love those. Classic examples of how not to are the AF crash in Canada or this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoXMcehrYo&feature=fvsr

greetz

C.

Or you can press SHIFT-Z

Yeah, like iflyfsx says, turn off the auto-pilot. FSP has a voice that counts down your altitude.... and here is a tiny hint on how to not land too
hard. As the computer counts down the altitudes, the longer the duration between the numbers the slower you are going down. In more
exact terms, it's called flaring. Try it.. it works. (All of this said tongue-in-cheek).

FYI, it looks like about 550.fpm is the cutoff for blown tires, though, I might be wrong.

Here is a question, for those who would like to practice landing, but don't want to have to go through the whole setting up of a flight, taking off
and lining up to land, what are the realism settings that is set in the options that would mimic FSP?

I am asking this because, like I said, if you would like to just practice landings you just need to save a time when you are lined up on
approach and load it as often as you would like.

Quote:tvieno wrote:

FYI, it looks like about 550.fpm is the cutoff for blown tires, though, I might be wrong.

I've managed to put my 777 down a fair few times between -700 and -800 fpm without blowing tires, bent some landing struts though.... oops

So far a I know, the realism settings in flight sim that mimic (as close as possible) is having them all set to the maximum, so sliders all the way to
the right on the screen with crash detection on etc.

Quote:DeepSpace wrote:
That, or simply monitor the VSI that is present in 99% of the aircraft........

remember thoue the VSI lags

use the GPWS or altimiter

Quote:Ceemosp wrote:

...
A greaser isn't always the best idea although the paxes love those. Classic examples of how not to are the AF crash in Canada or this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoXMcehrYo&feature=fvsr
...

I have just seen the video. As virtual pilot, I got the impression it was a bad final (too high) as the aircraft crossed the threshold quite high,
dived to recover, picked up speed and then floated because it was too fast...

Only thing I do not understand it that why the pilot did not slam the a/c instead of waiting for it to settle down and eat all the runaway in the process.

Cheers,

DareDevil

or option b)
call a missed approach and go around. He actually touched down with half the runway wasted and let me say, there isn't plenty of it anyhow
:p
He surely wasn't fully loaded or we would have had the pleasure to watch a BBQ in progress involving the brakes.
Additionally...there is zip, zero, null overrun on that airport but instead a nice drop onto some houses and a scenic avenue below the airport ^^

greetz

C.

Who builds these insane airports? I don't think he was flying too high, because he barely missed that piece of land at 00:21. There are some kind of
cables, too. The sharp descent is right on, but then he struggles to touch down. Looks like it was Very Windy, too.

I was sure he was going to go around. I can't believe he didn't end up in someone's living room.

Are those passengers required to wear p?

If you look at these vids you might reconsider....imho he was way too high and ducked under to come back on slope but forgot that diving =
more speed. I am praying I will never have the "pleasure" to be a pax on his flights ^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=sarFH98C...re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=3ThWzU5-...re=related

and my favorite...I love the comment at the end XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=iAxAso8x...re=related


greetz

C.